*Shakes head* Everton again.

[Barrington Womble]

They fucking love that "another first" thing don't they. Even though some of the 1sts are the same as existing ones. The 1st to 4500 games. The 1st to 4501 games...  And so it goes on! 

[deiseach]

On the other hand, third place in GOT Player of the Month for December went to Jordan Pickford. 

 

[Boss]

The stadium died when the Commonwealth games died. That's all it was, an elaborate attempt to follow in City's footsteps and bung a free stadium at the tax payers expense. 

 

What kind of council would accept taking on the burden of hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt - at a time when council funding has been more than halved - to allow a provincial club, with hardly any fans - who can't even sell out their current stadium - to build a giant stadium on the docks, when they could conceivably be relegated any season now and default on their payments?

 

It's not like they weren't in a relegation battle at one stage last season, or that Silva hasn't got form for taking teams down. The only people that have signed off on this are zealot blues like Joe Anderson, who would gladly see the city turned into the slums of Mumbai, so long as Everton get a new stadium.

 

This is what will happen. They'll puff their chest out about a new stadium and partake in weekly finance talks. Then the talks will be by-weekly, then monthly. Then Meis (Monorail) will pop up with some more plans after a few months. Then eventually it'll just go quiet and all the parties will act like non of it ever happened. Joe Anderson can then crow to his blue mates that he did everything in his power to make it a reality, and talk about how the redshite councillors stopped it all from happening - which will be passed on as a second hand grievance by Everton fans 20 years from now. And thus the cycle is complete. 

[index1000]

Only Everton/Fat Joe could use Firmed up and Likely in the same sentence.

Talking about how finance providers are interested... Of course they are you fat fuck you are using the City to guarantee the loan. 

I am sure they are falling over themselves. 

Maybe you can change the city symbol from two Mythical birds to two giant purple Unicorns shitting rainbows.

Much more appropriate symbol for this debacle

[Barrington Womble]

16 minutes ago, Boss said:

The stadium died when the Commonwealth games died. That's all it was, an elaborate attempt to follow in City's footsteps and bung a free stadium at the tax payers expense. 

 

What kind of council would accept taking on the burden of hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt - at a time when council funding has been more than halved - to allow a provincial club, with hardly any fans - who can't even sell out their current stadium - to build a giant stadium on the docks, when they could conceivably be relegated any season now and default on their payments?

 

It's not like they weren't in a relegation battle at one stage last season, or that Silva hasn't got form for taking teams down. The only people that have signed off on this are zealot blues like Joe Anderson, who would gladly see the city turned into the slums of Mumbai, so long as Everton get a new stadium.

 

This is what will happen. They'll puff their chest out about a new stadium and partake in weekly finance talks. Then the talks will be by-weekly, then monthly. Then Meis (Monorail) will pop up with some more plans after a few months. Then eventually it'll just go quiet and all the parties will act like non of it ever happened. Joe Anderson can then crow to his blue mates that he did everything in his power to make it a reality, and talk about how the redshite councillors stopped it all from happening - which will be passed on as a second hand grievance by Everton fans 20 years from now. And thus the cycle is complete. 

I'm not sure the council will sign off on the loan - I think there was some type of agreement when  they said the stadium would cost 300m and the council would loan the lot. Then when it became 500m, Everton said they needed outside investment, but the council deal was based on the entire stadium costing 300m and they would be the only people who needed repaying. 

 

The fact of the matter here is it's really hard to see how this stadium funds itself. The 52k is only 13k on top of their current stadium and they struggle to make ends meet and as we saw yesterday don't always sell out - so they are in effect paying 500m for 13k seats. I just don't know how they'll pay for it - they're not going to get hospitality on the scale we do, not unless they do it cheaper anyway! The only thing I can think is they plan to fund it with other sports and concerts etc as they'll believe they'll get almost unlimited access due to it being non residential area. 

[Davelfc]

Financing without financing, Everton that!

 

Moshiri purchased 49.9% of Everton for £87.5m (valuing the club at £175m) He has since thrown in interest free (no payment date arranged) loans of between £220 and £350m depending what you read. Some of that to pay off debts and some in player purchases and manager wages, hahaha. 

So a club worth roughly £175m has debt (sorry equity is what they are calling this debt) of twice what they are valued, at payable to the owner. Now please tell me, what investors would be happy to fund a £500m stadium when their owner is owed £350m? 

The money he is owed equates to more than a quarter of his personal fortune. Does any sensible investor ever risk their money like this? 

 

As someone has previously mentioned, half a billion for 13k seats, seats they won't sell because they can't sell to capacity now. I mean the stupid ones that bought season tickets on the back of a few tweets and pundits declaring them champions elect during the summer window,  can't surely be stupid enough to do that year upon year, not if yesterday is anything to go by.

Moshiri saw an opportunity with a free stadium courtesy of the Commonwealth games. That turned to shit so he stuck and spun again this time spunking hundreds of millions on players and managers. That has turned to shit. At what point does he realise that he's fucked up? I'm guessing as he sit there in his Tax dodging mansion in Monaco that it dawned a while ago, it may have also gone unnoticed that it's not his money he's fucked up with, they owe him that back in loans, sorry equity. 

[Anubis]

They keep banging on about a 10,000 season ticket waiting list but those people are going to be taking up the general sale allocation, so their actual attendance won’t be much more than it is at present unless they attract a lot of tourists or new fans. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

57 minutes ago, Boss said:

The stadium died when the Commonwealth games died. That's all it was, an elaborate attempt to follow in City's footsteps and bung a free stadium at the tax payers expense. 

 

What kind of council would accept taking on the burden of hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt - at a time when council funding has been more than halved - to allow a provincial club, with hardly any fans - who can't even sell out their current stadium - to build a giant stadium on the docks, when they could conceivably be relegated any season now and default on their payments?

 

It's not like they weren't in a relegation battle at one stage last season, or that Silva hasn't got form for taking teams down. The only people that have signed off on this are zealot blues like Joe Anderson, who would gladly see the city turned into the slums of Mumbai, so long as Everton get a new stadium.

 

This is what will happen. They'll puff their chest out about a new stadium and partake in weekly finance talks. Then the talks will be by-weekly, then monthly. Then Meis (Monorail) will pop up with some more plans after a few months. Then eventually it'll just go quiet and all the parties will act like non of it ever happened. Joe Anderson can then crow to his blue mates that he did everything in his power to make it a reality, and talk about how the redshite councillors stopped it all from happening - which will be passed on as a second hand grievance by Everton fans 20 years from now. And thus the cycle is complete. 

A few have been saying the same for months, me included. Operation “ oh fuck how do we get out of this “ has well started.

[Anubis]

Big Fat Sam

Player Valuation: £40m

Today at 11:35 AM

#50,238

Let's have another 64 rounds of public "consulation" before we tease fans with a "design" to be released some time in the future. They sure are dragging this out.

[Mcfaggen]

42 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I'm not sure the council will sign off on the loan - I think there was some type of agreement when  they said the stadium would cost 300m and the council would loan the lot. Then when it became 500m, Everton said they needed outside investment, but the council deal was based on the entire stadium costing 300m and they would be the only people who needed repaying. 

 

The fact of the matter here is it's really hard to see how this stadium funds itself. The 52k is only 13k on top of their current stadium and they struggle to make ends meet and as we saw yesterday don't always sell out - so they are in effect paying 500m for 13k seats. I just don't know how they'll pay for it - they're not going to get hospitality on the scale we do, not unless they do it cheaper anyway! The only thing I can think is they plan to fund it with other sports and concerts etc as they'll believe they'll get almost unlimited access due to it being non residential area. 

In fairness, the three gigs at Anfield have sold out in pretty decent time, so clearly there's a demand for that sort of thing in the city. Liverpool have approval presently for six, but in a residential area, they could probably do a few more given where the dock is (provided transport & that is actually dealt with). So as a new revenue stream for them that makes sense. 

 

But it probably doesn't make up the short fall, else it'll become a gig venue with occasional sports. 

[Harry Squatter]

Leon Osman is the latest football pundit to have his say on Liverpool. "Liverpool's problem position is at left back." No words..not even one.

[Harry Squatter]

19 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Big Fat Sam

Player Valuation: £40m

Today at 11:35 AM

#50,238

Let's have another 64 rounds of public "consulation" before we tease fans with a "design" to be released some time in the future. They sure are dragging this out.

It's like in Casino where Robert De Niro keeps applying for different jobs so his application never moves up the backlog to drag his current role out as long as possible. 

[Jennings]

We're in good shape if our Left Back is considered to be our 'problem'.

[The Guest]

1 minute ago, Doctor Troy said:

Leon Osman is the latest football pundit to have his say on Liverpool. "Liverpool's problem position is at left back." No words..not even one.

It seems to be all any of these cunts can cling on to.  Them and the mancs are the same.  When Van Dijk first arrived they were all desperate for him to be a flop, probably because of the amount of money they’d both wasted on shite in recent years.  As time went on “he was okay, but the deluded red Shite are overrating him” to “he’s one of the best in the league but nowhere near as good as Alderweireld or Kompany” and now it’s “he’s the best centre back in the country but he’s not on the level of Ramos or Varane, typical deluded kopites.”

 

It’s just constant goalpost shifting despite the fact he came in and we’re up there with some of the best defensive statistics recorded in decades.  The Robertson thing is because we conceded one goal to the back post against Arsenal.  I actually seen someone put on Redcafe “that Robertson is really shit at defending the back post isn’t he?”  No he isn’t he’s actually fantastic at it and pulled off some brilliant back post headers this season and always covers around the centre back and comes over when needed.

 

They’re just desperate to cling to anything because we are that good all over the pitch.

[Creator Supreme]

Andy Robertson cost less than £10m! He's fucking brilliant, he'd still be fucking brilliant at 5 times the price! I'm not gonna start saying he's the best in the league / europe / the world but he's brilliant, he's the ideal left back for us and I wouldn't swap him!

[moof]

Our biggest weakness is we don’t have a weakness. That’ll surely bite us on the arse eventually 

[TheHowieLama]

He may not be talking about Robertson.

 

We do have a problem at left back if Andy goes down.

[Horus]

11 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Andy Robertson cost less than £10m! He's fucking brilliant, he'd still be fucking brilliant at 5 times the price! I'm not gonna start saying he's the best in the league / europe / the world but he's brilliant, he's the ideal left back for us and I wouldn't swap him!

[Hades]

3 hours ago, deiseach said:

On the other hand, third place in GOT Player of the Month for December went to Jordan Pickford. 

 

 

Haha. I was thinking of posting a picture of a Klan meeting with a similar metaphor but decided against it because I'm already on thin ice. This is much funnier. 

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Anubis said:

They keep banging on about a 10,000 season ticket waiting list but those people are going to be taking up the general sale allocation, so their actual attendance won’t be much more than it is at present unless they attract a lot of tourists or new fans. 

Regular tickets aren't going to fund a stadium though are they? Their season tickets are way cheaper than ours, but if that 10k paid £1k per season, it only brings them 10m a year extra for a 500m outlay. They can only do this with hospitality and other events. And I still don't think they can do it. 

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Mcfaggen said:

In fairness, the three gigs at Anfield have sold out in pretty decent time, so clearly there's a demand for that sort of thing in the city. Liverpool have approval presently for six, but in a residential area, they could probably do a few more given where the dock is (provided transport & that is actually dealt with). So as a new revenue stream for them that makes sense. 

 

But it probably doesn't make up the short fall, else it'll become a gig venue with occasional sports. 

Yeah, but they don't get to keep all the gate money do they? The artist still wants paying and they'll still have competition with us and fsg aren't going to let them take all the money. 

 

And the transport thing is a big deal, that stadium's location is a fucking hike from town. I know they keep saying "waterfront city centre location". Is it fuck. Yeah, it's on the water, but it's a proper hike from town, transport links are a must. 

[Anubis]

I agree. They seem to think that corporate hospitality and some concerts will be the end of their woes. Like you, I just don’t see how it adds up financially.

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

He may not be talking about Robertson.

 

We do have a problem at left back if Andy goes down.

Exactly what I was thinking. Although it's not bad when your biggest problem doesn't play. It's certainly better than when he does play anyway. And I suspect maybe clyne as got that number 2 left back birth now. And he'd get a game ahead of that shit cunt they bought from barca. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 1/1/2019 at 5:28 PM, Numero Veinticinco said:

They’re ripping the absolute piss out of Pickford. He’s getting a proper roasting over there. 

 

23 hours ago, Anubis said:

Not any more. The last three pages of the Pickford thread has s few surprising stats, especially to find out his goal comceded ratio is worse than Steckelenburg’s.

 

23 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Conceded 89 goals in 59 league games for them so far

 

23 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Pickfords average goals conceded per game in the Premier League 1.7

 

I don't often get the chance to say "Called it!", but back when they were jizzing their knickers (and a few around here were giving grudging respect) about signing Pickford, I pointed out that a highly-rated shot-stopper from a relegation-doomed Sunderland might not always turn into the greatest keeper in the world.

 

Considering they're all experts on all things Liverpool, it's amazing that none of them learned from our mistake.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

He may not be talking about Robertson.

 

We do have a problem at left back if Andy goes down.

Then we'd have to fall back on Moreno, Clyne, Milner or (in a few weeks) Gomez.

 

That's our "problem position".