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Will you vote for Alternative Vote?  

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  1. 1. Will you vote for Alternative Vote?

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I'll vote yes as i think it's slightly fairer.

It pisses me off that a yes vote will please little Clegg and his gang of tory wannabees

 

It'll satisfy them not please them, I reckon even Stronts would agree with that. Is that fair?

 

It isn't PR and just about an improvement on what we currently have.

 

Not made my mind up whether to have a childish brat moment and vote no.

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Voting against it. Fuck the Lib Dems. I'm not rewarding them for being cunts by giving them what they want. Firstly a no vote will speed up the demise of this government as it'll take away the Lib Dems main reason for being in coalition. Secondly, it'll mean that the Lib Dems will have less chance of being in another coalition.

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It's a half measure that helps no-one except the 3rd party. If you believe in consensus politics you need to hold out for proper proportional representation. If you prefer party politics then you'll not be voting for this anyway.

 

The fish speaks true.

 

And combined with the reduction in the number of MPs, the proposal is actually less democratic than the current system.

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And we have the results of the Tuebrook East By-Election (under AV)

 

1st Choice (MP you want)/2nd Choice (Your "mneh" MP)

Labour/ Socialist 49%

Tory/Lib-Dem 20%

Lib-Dem/Tory 18%

UKIP/Tory 6%

BNP/Tory 4%

English Democrats/Tory 2%

 

I hereby declare that the Tory candidate is duly elected and democracy is the real winner.

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It pisses me off that a yes vote will please little Clegg and his gang of tory wannabees

 

 

Well look at it this way: do you want to please the "gang of Tory wannabes" by voting Yes, or the actual Tories by voting No?

 

It'll satisfy them not please them, I reckon even Stronts would agree with that. Is that fair?

 

 

That's about the long and short of it. I fear that the incremental improvement that AV provides won't be enough to satisfy those who prefer change by revolution.

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It's a half measure that helps no-one except the 3rd party. If you believe in consensus politics you need to hold out for proper proportional representation. If you prefer party politics then you'll not be voting for this anyway.

 

Mostly agree with this. AV is far from perfect but is, crucially for me, less undemocratic than 'first past the post'.

 

FPTP is an obscene mockery of democracy where a party with 30-odd percent of the vote can hold complete power. In a real democracy EVERY vote should count.

 

I find myself utterly disillusioned with politics and completely contemptuous of politicians. The three main parties can go and fuck themselves. Whichever is in power the middle classes get fucked with taxes and the rich and big business get away with what the hell they like, including rampant profiteering.

 

Fuck the lot of them.

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5 Live had a mock election in London this morning using FPTP and AV.

 

The Labour candidate won under both systems but actually won the seat under AV with less than 50% of the vote.

 

Interestingly when counting the second preferences the Green party beat both the tories and libs into second place.

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5 Live had a mock election in London this morning using FPTP and AV.

 

The Labour candidate won under both systems but actually won the seat under AV with less than 50% of the vote.

 

Interestingly when counting the second preferences the Green party beat both the tories and libs into second place.

 

And of course under this system the reward for that is exactly nothing. So all change for no change.

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5 Live had a mock election in London this morning using FPTP and AV.

 

The Labour candidate won under both systems but actually won the seat under AV with less than 50% of the vote.

 

Interestingly when counting the second preferences the Green party beat both the tories and libs into second place.

 

That's probably enough to make me vote no. Can you imagine that on a national scale? The Green Party in opposition? Hilarious. And not in a good way.

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