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What the fuck! So that is how we judge a midfielder then?

 

Didi Hamann must have been pretty poor as well then he only managed 18 goals in 386 across his entire league career. Xabi only has 27 in 331 career league games as well. Xavi only has 38 in 371 for the Barcelona first team in the league. 3 players who lets be honest are widely accepted as being absolute shite.

 

When I first signed up here I didn't fully understand why most of you seemed to think Code was mentally ill. I get it now!

 

And no goals scored is not really the way to judge a midfielder, but when you lose about half your tackles, give away stupid needless fouls in dangerous areas and does not really make the players around you better in any kind of way, goals scored or like in Lucas case lack of goals scored will be one of the few things used to describe you as the total passenger for a footballer you really are.

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Deschamps didn't score in something like his last 140 league games. Code, it's disingenuous in the extreme to look only at Lucas' goals or lack thereof in making a judgement as to his quality. Just about everyone else on the site can now see what the lad offers; it's pure stubbornness on your part to refuse to see any good in him.

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Chev I hope you are able to differentiate between 3-4 goals every season and 1 goal every 3-4 season.

 

I can actually tell that, not to bad with this maths lark when required.

 

Are you able to differentiate between reality and stats? Oh and by the way Didi league career equates to one goal a season, so is he shit then? Lucas average 1.5 goals per season.

 

Using your logic Lucas is actually a better player than Mascherano.

 

Lucas has scored 14 goals in 226 career appearances.

 

Mascherano has only scored 3 in 243. Therefore Lucas is better than Mascherano he has scored more goals yet has played less games.

 

Edit: saw your other post that you made while typing. Exactly the point I was making goals don't prove midfielders are necessarily good or bad. That said why are you using it to criticise Lucas then?

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Lucas Leiva wins over tho thirds of tackles he makes and lies second in the amount of tackles made for 2010-2011.

 

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Premier League stats | Sky Sports | Football | Features

 

Just to repeat, he has given away 2 free kicks in the last 180 minutes.

 

Some idiots will just never give the lad the credit he deserves. Lucas has been magnificent of late, and has been steadily improving for quite some time. He also has bags of character, which he has showed never hiding in times of adversity for the lad. He has come out the other side, and now we are reaping the rewards.

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John Carew 17 games this season and 1 goal, pretty shit for a forward.

 

But fairly impressive for John Carew considering he is the worst footballer to have ever played in England.

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Using your logic Lucas is actually a better player than Mascherano.

 

 

My logic to do what?

 

Mascherano, another player massively overrated by most Liverpool fans.

 

Superb in his own very restricted and limited role, but considering our squad and team a luxury in 90% of our games.

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Another thing too. Lucas has a great engine, which doesn't seem to get mentioned much. In the last ten minutes the other day he looked far, far fitter than his Chelsea counterparts. It was evident too in his assist for N'gog against the Mancs at Anfield last season.

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My logic to do what?

 

Mascherano, another player massively overrated by most Liverpool fans.

 

Superb in his own very restricted and limited role, but considering our squad and team a luxury in 90% of our games.

 

You started criticising Lucas because he has only scored 1 in 99 in the League. Therefore surely you are stating that it is important in judging a midfielder.

 

For someone so into stats logic isn't really your strong point.

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Yup. He's a fantastic player.

 

Him, Johnson and Agger have got me changing my opinions on them every game. Lucas has kicked on amazingly though.

 

I think he's been very good since Xabi left. Him and Masch just wasn't the right fit though. Kenny will bring him on another level too, I reckon.

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You started criticising Lucas because he has only scored 1 in 99 in the League. Therefore surely you are stating that it is important in judging a midfielder.

 

For someone so into stats logic isn't really your strong point.

 

I really did not, I just stated that he had 1 goal in 99 PL games.

 

If people feel that is criticism its probably because the numbers are not really good dont you think?

 

If he had scored 50 goals and I wrote 99 games, 50 goals, would you take that as criticism as well?

 

Its the same thing is it not?

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I really did not, I just stated that he had 1 goal in 99 PL games.

 

If people feel that is criticism its probably because the numbers are not really good dont you think?

 

If he had scored 50 goals and I wrote 99 games, 50 goals, would you take that as criticism as well?

 

Its the same thing is it not?

 

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For a midfielder in his position to only have scored 1 PL goal in 99 games, 77 starts thats just abysmal really and there is no way around it.

 

That sounds pretty critical to me Code.

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