Andy Carroll, what does he do?

[zigackly]

By the way I am not advocating no criticism at all, but there is an unnerving tendency of late to extend "he played badly" into "he's fucking shite" or even "he's a cunt".

 

I'm not trying by any means to be a superfan, but we have lost something there that we once had at least a little bit more of than other clubs.

 

I think Hicks and Gillett damaged us a lot more than we know. There seems to be so much anger in so many of us still.

[Scousa Tomo]

How long did Rush spend in the reserves learning the liverpool way? Carroll is having to learn on the job, under pressure, in a team that is in transition, etc etc.

 

This team hasn't even sorted itself out yet and Carroll doesn't strike me as the kind of player that will adapt until that happens. There are too many moving pieces and parts for him at the moment. He needs the security of a few consistent set patterns of play to build from.

 

No idea, if he will eventually come good or not, but to me all of the prerequisites for success that rush enjoyed are not there yet, so he deserves time.

 

There is also a hell of a lot of pressure on a lad who is not the most mentally stable. I don't know if he will work out for us, but we're not helping him and nor is dropping him after he scored in the derby to be honest.

 

I have noticed with all our new signings everyone is ready to jump straight down their throats at the first mistake, so one week Adam or Henderson are shit and the next they are fucking amazing.

 

Some balance and patience is what we need. Before we beat Stoke Kenny was shit as well.

 

It's insane. Literally pencils up the fucking nose and a tea towel on the head territory.

 

It's fair to say Carroll has been cack so far, but that is as far as it goes, or should go anyway.

 

Wow, i dont know how to process this properly. People making sense.......

[Guest ShoePiss]

By the way I am not advocating no criticism at all, but there is an unnerving tendency of late to extend "he played badly" into "he's fucking shite" or even "he's a cunt".

 

I'm not trying by any means to be a superfan, but we have lost something there that we once had at least a little bit more of than other clubs.

 

I think Hicks and Gillett damaged us a lot more than we know. There seems to be so much anger in so many of us still.

 

I think calling any of our players a cunt is completely over the top*

 

 

*unless they were called Paul Stewart.

[Iceman]

By the way I am not advocating no criticism at all, but there is an unnerving tendency of late to extend "he played badly" into "he's fucking shite" or even "he's a cunt".

 

I'm not trying by any means to be a superfan, but we have lost something there that we once had at least a little bit more than other clubs.

 

I think Hicks and Gillett damaged us a lot more than we know.

 

 

Yes I agree Zig. We were known for having a lot more patience for our players and manager than we currently show. I think it's a feature of the internet age but I agree H&G made us more insecure about things and the fear of seeing other clubs "disappearing over the horizon" has made some of our fans way more judgmental than used to be the case.

[Il Fenomeno]

Look it's you that got it wrong. I was hardly being pedantic. I understood what you were referring to after you explained you were talking about him scoring goals you big mong.

 

You obviously knew what I was referring to, otherwise you wouldn't have deliberately omitted scoring goals from your selections. Keep acting like a smart arse, if it makes yourself feel better about yourself or something.

[Iceman]

[Guest ShoePiss]

You obviously knew what I was referring to, otherwise you wouldn't have deliberately omitted scoring goals from your selections. Keep acting like a smart arse, if it makes yourself feel better about yourself or something.

 

What.the.fuck?

[Scousa Tomo]

[silverlining]

 

I think Hicks and Gillett damaged us a lot more than we know. There seems to be so much anger in so many of us still.

 

 

Check out fucking Yoda over here

[Magic Sponge]

By the way I am not advocating no criticism at all, but there is an unnerving tendency of late to extend "he played badly" into "he's fucking shite" or even "he's a cunt".

 

I'm not trying by any means to be a superfan, but we have lost something there that we once had at least a little bit more of than other clubs.

 

I think Hicks and Gillett damaged us a lot more than we know. There seems to be so much anger in so many of us still.

 

As well as a unhealthy obsession with the clubs spending of money.

[Iceman]

 

Much anger inside of you I feel. Wounded by Hicks you are.

[stringvest]

Imagine if we had someone who could tie up defenders to create that space AND score.

 

That's ridiculous. Next you'll be asking for a midfielder who is effective in defending when we haven't got the ball and can regularly take an active part in our creative and forward play.

[piscinin]

That's ridiculous. Next you'll be asking for a midfielder who is effective in defending when we haven't got the ball and can regularly take an active part in our creative and forward play.

 

TBH I believe all of our CMs, given the right circumstances, are capable of that!

[PaulMcC]

By the way I am not advocating no criticism at all, but there is an unnerving tendency of late to extend "he played badly" into "he's fucking shite" or even "he's a cunt".

 

I'm not trying by any means to be a superfan, but we have lost something there that we once had at least a little bit more of than other clubs.

 

I think Hicks and Gillett damaged us a lot more than we know. There seems to be so much anger in so many of us still.

 

We lost it when people were complete cunts to Rafa. Blaming him on taking bungs etc. We came second in spite of him. Loads more examples I'm sure you know about.

[PaulMcC]

Yes I agree Zig. We were known for having a lot more patience for our players and manager than we currently show. I think it's a feature of the internet age but I agree H&G made us more insecure about things and the fear of seeing other clubs "disappearing over the horizon" has made some of our fans way more judgmental than used to be the case.

 

Leto was written off as shit after a game against Marseille when the senior players were the worst on the pitch.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I reckon Andy's name should get sung loud and proud, make the lad feel at home and know he has the fans support. We've all become cynical quick to judge arseholes, we should use Kenny's unity and make our players feel invincible.

 

Maybe I should stop sniffing glue.

[Captain]

This is just an observation, but it seems big unit type centre forwards are a bit like a fine wine in that they get better with age. I can't remember too many six foot three 18 year olds making an impact. Can someone give me some names? I'm sure there are players who have done well early in their careers but not many.

 

Players like Niall Quinn, Peter Crouch, Duncan Ferguson, John Aldridge, Jan Koller, Christian Vieri, Darko Kovacevic are all similar types of striker and all were better players later in their careers

 

Duncan Ferguson and John Aldridge, wtf? One was a big, alehouse excuse of a footballer, the other one of the finest finishers the game has seen banging goals in left, right and centre in one of the best Liverpool teams ever.

 

[zigackly]

We lost it when people were complete cunts to Rafa. Blaming him on taking bungs etc. We came second in spite of him. Loads more examples I'm sure you know about.

 

If you're aiming that at me, I had nothing to do with any of that. My only objection to Rafa was on purely footballing grounds after years of making very similar mistakes as I saw it, and then finishing seventh.

 

I do agree that some of the rumours spread about him or even just hinted at were below the belt and should never have been repeated on a public forum. However, to blame everything that has happened at the club in the last few years on a tiny group of bitter fans mouthing off on here is rather missing the point don't you think? Something about two foreign chaps who got in some trouble with the banks? I'm sure that must ring a bell or two.

 

As for Leto, I can't help you there either as I didn't see enough of him to form an opinion, but it does seem from my perspective as if Rafa himself wrote him off after very few chances.

 

But above all mate, I really have no idea why you would want ANOTHER Rafa argument just for the hell of it. I know it's a bit cliched perhaps, but he's not here any more. For god's sake move on.

Edited October 29, 2011 by zigackly

[PaulMcC]

If you're aiming that at me, I had nothing to do with any of that. My only objection to Rafa was on purely footballing grounds after years of making very similar mistakes as I saw it, and then finishing seventh.

 

I do agree that some of the rumours spread about him or even just hinted at were below the belt and should never have been repeated on a public forum. However, to blame everything that has happened at the club in the last few years on a tiny group of bitter fans mouthing off on here is rather missing the point don't you think? Something about two foreign chaps who got in some trouble with the banks? I'm sure that must ring a bell or two.

 

As for Leto, I can't help you there either as I didn't see enough of him to form an opinion, but it does seem from my perspective as if Rafa himself wrote him off after very few chances.

 

I wasn't aiming it at you.

 

Some of our fans were complete cunts, though.

[zigackly]

What's the point in going over it again? It's like picking at a scab.

[PaulMcC]

What's the point in going over it again? It's like picking at a scab.

 

I was just disagreeing that Hicks and Gillett made our fans cunts.

[VladimirIlyich]

We lost it when people were complete cunts to Rafa. Blaming him on taking bungs etc. We came second in spite of him. Loads more examples I'm sure you know about.

 

This is news to me. Mine and others complaints about Rafa were purely based on our cautious style of play at that time and not utilising the quality players we had available at certain stages of his time in charge.

 

Bungs is a pretty small time way of showing your dislike of any manager.

[zigackly]

I was just disagreeing that Hicks and Gillett made our fans cunts.

 

Well we might have to agree to disagree mate, because what you described there applies to a tiny number of people in my opinion.

[zigackly]

Very good performance from big Andy today, and signs of a good understanding building up with Suarez. His goal and performance should have helped his confidence and I hope he can kick on from here now.

[kalasoma]

So happy to see the big man score today. Hope to see more of the same please.