Work Permits

[Nomad]

This is always something that has confused me as to why many players get refused a work permit.

 

For example Mark Gonzalez was refused a work permit when he was originally signed by Liverpool and was only granted on 12 months later as you can not apply for 12 months once refused.

 

Why though was he rejected? he is coming over to work and he will also be earning enough money to support him and his family, he will also be paying taxes into the system.

 

Another young player who Arsenal have just signed for £.3.5m has been refused, now im guessing if a club is willing to pay that much for a player his wages will be enough to support him.

 

I can understand if people enter the country with no job and no way of income but surely this has to be looked at.

 

Maybe some of you guys know abit more than me

[Lee909]

Its easy on the Mancs get work permits for yong talent.

 

Its decided by a panel of "experts",they look at the player and decide if he is good enough.Cant remember all the names but Howard Wilkinson used to be part of the panel.

Failed managers no longer in work making decisins on who is good enough.Its a joke but then its part of the goverment/FA soits to be expected

[redsoxs]

Its easy on the Mancs get work permits for yong talent.

 

Its decided by a panel of "experts",they look at the player and decide if he is good enough.Cant remember all the names but Howard Wilkinson used to be part of the panel.

Failed managers no longer in work making decisins on who is good enough.Its a joke but then its part of the goverment/FA soits to be expected

 

Its all the mancs loves fault? Jesus fucking Christ.....

 

It more down to the scouts bring in players with dodgy passports - Leto with a Italian passport? since when was he Italian?

 

The Mancs are smarter because they use their feeder club in Belgium for most of their young south American players.

 

We now have a feeder in the Belgium league, but yet to hear of one single player we sent there.

[Nomad]

I didnt think a Work Permit had anything to do with Ex player/ managers... I tought it was decided by the likes of Department of work and pensions etc.?

[Jonny83]

I think the system in Spain is better - if I remember rightly teams are permitted to register three non-EU players and no more. That way the teams have to use these slots on quality, but they decide who is worthy and who isn't, so it's self-regulating rather than being decided by some arbitrary panel.

[AndonAndonAndon]

Work Permits are issued by the United Kingdom Border Agency and they are now issued on a points based system. Previously footballers used to have to play for a country ranked in the top 75 in the world and they had to have so many caps (20?) at senior level.

 

This is the definition of the current Tier 2 Sportsperson category: The sportsperson category is for elite sports people and coaches who are internationally established at the highest level, and will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport.

 

There used to be an appeals panel made up of ex-footballers, managers etc but I think this might now have been scrapped

[s(k)aturation]

In other industries, one of the things it comes down to is whether the "immigrant" can do a job that a "native" person couldn't... and not about whether they can pay their way or support themselves.

 

I think it's a policy that was put in place to protect "native" jobs... which nowadays of course means anyone in the EU. (Gonzalez was Chilean or something, wasn't he?)

 

Having said that, I'm not sure if this principle is used with football work permits.

[Jonny83]

Yeah Gonzalez was Chilean. Work permits aren't an issue for many South Americans as many have Italian passports owing to recent ancestry (Masch, Lucas, Paletta being examples for us, although Masch would probably have qualified for a WP regardless), or have Spanish passports from playing in Spain (think it's 2 or 3 years) since Latin Americans get fast-tracked residency-based Spanish citizenship.

 

Most South Americans have at least some European ancestry but if it goes back to the conquistador days they aren't going to qualify for a EU passport automatically.

[Lee909]

Its all the mancs loves fault? Jesus fucking Christ.....

 

It more down to the scouts bring in players with dodgy passports - Leto with a Italian passport? since when was he Italian?

 

The Mancs are smarter because they use their feeder club in Belgium for most of their young south American players.

 

We now have a feeder in the Belgium league, but yet to hear of one single player we sent there.

 

Do you really thinkl im blaming it on the mancs.

We couldnt get work permits for the likes of Gonzalez established chlie international at the time,the mancs however got permits for Fabio and Rafael who had never played a first team game for flamengo.

Yes the department for work sorts out the permits first but alot fo cases were sent to a panel for a younger players.

We struggled with permits as did arsenal for Vela,the mancs never struggled for the two allready mentioned or the chinese lad who was shit and signed for commercial reason either

[Lucky Pierre]

It more down to the scouts bring in players with dodgy passports - Leto with a Italian passport? since when was he Italian?

Most Argentinians have Italian blood if you go back two generations. Mascherano, Zanetti, Abbondazieri, Heinze, Di Maria, D'Alessandro, Lavezzi, Messi, Coloccini etc.

[waiting game]

Didnt Leto have to go because of permits and work visas and such?

[Trumo]

Didnt Leto have to go because of permits and work visas and such?

 

Leto didn't need a work permit when he joined us because he had a dual Argentine/Italian passport. Turns out the Italian bit was falsified so he'd need a work permit after all. As he was never going to qualify (and also because he was a bit gash for us) we decided to sell him to Panathinaikos, after he'd spent a year on loan at Olympiakos while we tried to find a solution to the passport problem.