Roy Hodgson Mega Thread: The Sequel

[Iantn]

Whats source for the goose is source for the gander.

 

Does Hodgson's comments towards and about Ferguson and Man Utd not change that slightly though?

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

 

how fucking horrible is that,

 

It's the 'come to bed' eyes that are most nauseating.

[Dougie Do'ins]

Does Hodgson's comments towards and about Ferguson and Man Utd not change that slightly though?

If we're just talking about quotes then I can see why you would say that, but we're not. We're talking about two photographs. They both show two different men embracing Fergie, Yet for some reason one is seemingly quite innocent and the other quite sinister.

[redsfan]

Thought would post this, kind of puts things into clear perspective. Here was me beginning of the season thinking we had a decent manager, how quickly things alter. It's a bit long this but it is amusing, if you weren't a Liverpool fan...

 

Roy Hodgson argues for change of boss at Liverpool FC - Liverpool FC - Sport News - Daily Post North Wales

 

Roy Hodgson argues for change of boss at Liverpool FC

Jan 3 2011 By Ben Thornley

 

OF all the voices who have argued for a change of management at Anfield this season one man* has* consistently made the most compelling case – Roy Hodgson.

There has* never have been a Liverpool** boss as universally disliked by supporters* as the Londoner.*

But it’s not just the regressive tactics, awful signings (Christian Poulsen and Paul Konchesky)* and* pitiful away form (six defeats in nine games with a goal difference of -10) that has turned the Kop against him.

Liverpool supporters* have become accustomed to their managers being equally skilled** as orators, a trend begun by* the great Bill Shankly. Even the quieter men among the club’s roll call of bosses like Bob Paisley could be relied upon for cutting sound bites.

Not Hodgson. Barely a* press conference goes by without the former UAE coach** embarrassing himself and the club,* alienating a player or enraging fans.

Here is a collection of the worst efforts of his first* – and hopefully only – six months in charge:

 

I* preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who's never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club.* I'm hoping that between now and Christmas we'll have ample quality to see us through that period.

On not buying another striker

 

A club like Liverpool shouldn't have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.

Hodgson changes his mind a month later.

 

They'll be a formidable challenge – there's no question about that.

On Carling Cup opponents, struggling league Two side Northampton

 

I thought we did quite well when* (Northampton) they took the lead in the extra time and we threw caution to the wind it gave us the equaliser.

Hodgson uses the words ‘throw caution to the wind’ about playing a League Two side. At Anfield.

 

That was as good as we have played all season.....* To get a result here – against Everton – would have been Utopia.

After the wretched loss to Everton

 

I know Sir Alex (Ferguson)* is not really a Liverpool man** so I’m a bit* concerned about my excellent relationship with him.

I sincerely hope he forgives me for moving north and hopefully we can have a glass of wine together, maybe in secret.

Hodgson endears himself to Liverpool fans everywhere

 

I prefer to talk about the game and talk about issues that interest me.* Mr Ferguson is entitled to any opinion he wants to have but I'm not going to come here and say I agree or disagree.

Hodgson refuses to defend Fernando Torres against* accusations* of* cheating

 

I understand (Frank)* Rijkaard has just been sacked from Galatasaray – he must be a great manager to have been sacked by Galatasaray.

'Nice guy' Roy on the Champions League and La Liga winning manager

 

You* would have to ask (Glen Johnson)* 'do you think you're playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?' If he says yes, obviously we will have to agree to differ and if he says no, then you'd have to ask the question 'why not?

Showing* his man-management skills

 

The protest does not help but it is something I have had to live with since I came to the club.

Criticising the fans’ protest against the club’s former owners

 

I was disappointed –* and I've told him this – that he –* Dalglish – applied for the job in the summer because I don't think that was ever really going to happen for him.

Putting Liverpool legend Dalglish in his place, a man who has won more trophies than Hodgson has Premier League away* games in his entire time in England

 

*I've been involved in some big derbies in my career and you know how much they mean to the fans.... I didn't like losing in those games, which I did quite often. I did poorly so it would be nice to change that.

*Hodgson shows he’s the man for the big occasion before losing 3-2 to Manchester United.

 

He’s a quality player and we will be working hard on our tactics to make sure he doesn’t dominate the game.

No, not Lionel Messi, rather*Fulham’s* Danny Murphy, who was sent packing by Liverpool six years ago.

 

I think it would be a sad day for football and for Liverpool if someone who had been brought in with the pomp and circumstance, and the money it took them to release me from my previous contract, and being feted as one of England's best managers – if after eight games people are deciding this guy has got to go

Showing his modest side.

 

*Are you from Denmark? (No, Norway* replied the journalist) Ah, two countries I never want to work in again.

*Insulting a Norweigian journalist and a large part of Liverpool’s fan base.

 

*We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.

*Having a dig at Champions League winning former Reds boss Rafa Benitez and his transfer record

 

What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team. So I find the question insulting. To suggest that, because I have moved from one club to another, that the methods which have stood me in good stead for 35 years and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe don’t suddenly work, is very hard to believe.

Reeling off some of the massive clubs he’s managed. Not so much a who’s who of European football as a who are they?

 

Today was a famous victory

No, not Liverpool’s win in Istanbul but a 1-0 triumph over* Bolton at the Reebok.

 

 

There aren't many quality left-backs around in the world, never mind in England – so to find an English one ( Paul Konchesky)* who can go straight into the team without any adjustment problems is a big advantage.

Hodgson, who sold Roberto Carlos to Real Madrid while manager of Inter Milan, knows a good left back when he sees one.

 

 

Christian (Poulsen)* is an all-round player. He is capable of scoring goals, a good passer of the ball and a good defender.

After paying £4.5m on*the *30-year-old plodder.

 

He's not that bad on the ball.

After seeing him play.

 

It is very early for me to make very strong judgements about where his best position is.

Hodgson shows the depth of his research on £11.5m signing Raul Meireles, who has played his entire career in central midfield. Until he came to Anfield.

 

*I don't understand questions about Liverpool and Fulham players being different types

*Who said Hodgson doesn’t grasp how big a club Liverpool is?

 

I've had several bad experiences. Even at Halmstad in the 70s, in the year we won our second championship, it took until the second half of the season to win our first game away and that broke a record going back two seasons. We went over two seasons without winning an away game.

On his wretched away form throughout his career.

 

Fans make their frustrations felt every time we lose, but unfortunately they may have to do that a few more times, because I can't see us going through a season winning every game.

Roy promises the good times are going to roll again after the 2-0 defeat to Stoke

 

I don't know where the stories came from that Gerrard would be fit for Newcastle.

From your Head of Sports Medicine Dr Peter Brukner, Roy.

 

It's not as if he'll be playing with a bunch of also-rans. I'm not asking him to play in the reserves.

Asking Torres to play against Utrecht while also motivating his reserves

 

I thought it would be a nice game for him (Torres) and a chance for him to get his confidence back. But I also had a talk to our fitness people and they made me see sense that it wasn't the wisest thing to do.

Revealing who picks the team.

 

I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it... I am not naive to believe there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres, I understand these things can happen

Issuing a stern hands-off Torres warning to pal Ferguson. Well, kind of.

 

When it was mooted the club wanted me for the job I made it clear to Kenny I wanted him on board and it wouldn’t be like it was with Benitez where he’d be here in name only. It wouldn’t be the case that Kenny would be never be allowed to step foot into Melwood.

Having another dig at the Spaniard, a claim which was exposed as a lie by the Champions League winning manager

 

He's not so much a player I can really take responsibility for. I'd have to share the responsibility for Joe, less so than for people like [Christian] Poulsen, [Raul] Meireles and [Paul] Konchesky, who are players I was quite happy to bring to the club.

Washing his hands of Joe Cole a week before the former Chelsea midfielder earns Liverpool a 2-1 victory over Bolton

 

Ever since I came here, the famous Anfield support hasn't really been there.There was the problem with the owners and Kenny being so popular and the job going to me, so I have had to live with that. I have to hope the fans will become supporters because we need support. We are not deliberately losing games.

Roy puts the final nail in his coffin

 

 

Note comments at the end of each quote are ones made by the journalist if you get my gist.*

[Iantn]

If we're just talking about quotes then I can see why you would say that' date=' but we're not. We're talking about two photographs. They both show two different men embracing Fergie, Yet for some reason one is seemingly quite innocent and the other quite sinister.[/quote']

 

True although with the quotes, and let's be fair most peoples opinions won't just be on the photos themselves, one shows a rival being respectful and one shows good mates.

 

I've no quarms with Hodgson and Ferguson being good mates away from the game but when it starts effecting my club that's when I start having a problem with it.

 

The photo just adds to peoples feelings that he's more intent on maintaining his good friendship than backing our club. In reality it probably doesn't but we are talking about one of the most emotive things in all of us, our club.

 

Without his early season comments there wouldn't be anywhere near as much comments made about this. As I said earlier, he made a rod for his own back a few months ago and it's getting proved now.

[AmerScouse]

overall, i could give two shits about that photo of fergie and roy. nor the one of rafa and fergie. there is no reason for the manager of man utd and the manager of liverpool to hate one another.

 

all i care about is that when fergie plays his mind games in the press that our manager says "fuck off with that bullshit" to it and in turn, if applicable, plays the same kind of game back. (edit: and backs our players, forgot to add that first time)

 

its roys incessant jibber jabbering that does my head in. first because half the time he says some of the stupidest shit i've read (and i don't even have 35 years experience), and 2nd he doesn't even realize what he is saying.

 

part of me feels bad for him because its clear he's slightly press senile and only realizes after the fact that his honesty can be misconstrued, but on the other hand he's such a defeatist in everything he says or does that i just can't take him seriously as manager of our football club.

 

seems a nice enough man though

[Kennys_spell]

Have we lost away in Europe this season?

 

Our away record this season is actually a bit worse than what Hodgson usually gets with his teams, not when it comes to actual wins but he is pretty good at getting draws.

 

Thats what I`m using as foundation for my thoughts on the subject, that and the fact we are good at home and Roy\s teams are also usually good at home.

 

Bit of a major flaw in the "Europa League two legged knock out games are well suited to Roy`s set up" approach - The Final is a one off game away from home.

 

Foiled by those pesky kids!!!!

[usernameunknown]

So, Hodgson arse licks Ferguson in his first press conference, hopes they're still "friends" now he's got the Liverpool job, embraces him at a Wigan v Newcastle match and the reply from some is to post a picture of Rafa and Ferguson together at Man Utd v Liverpool. The obsession is utterly bizarre.

[caracaracara]

If we're just talking about quotes then I can see why you would say that' date=' but we're not. We're talking about two photographs. They both show two different men embracing Fergie, Yet for some reason one is seemingly quite innocent and the other quite sinister.[/quote']

 

You can't just look at the photograph's in isolation - you have to view the context.

 

Rafa was a new kid on the block when he had his taken and was saying all the right respectful (PC) stuff.

 

Hodgson is a known sycophant, particuarly towards slur. Given his underwhelming comments before the last United game and his cowardly defence of one his players, coupled with his recent 'attack' on the liverpool fans, at best it is poor judgement to publically greet a much hated figure among the fans, in such a way a week before an importat game between the sides.

 

So sinister it isn't but it is poor judgement.

 

Maybe he thinks he can always use the 'I regret if people misunderstood and thought it offensive line' everytime.....

[Juan Galonso]

busby played for us

 

Since when has that mattered to people with the Munich songs over the years?

 

One of my worst memories as a red was seeing some ''fans'' singing ''Who the fuckinhell is that'' to the Busby statue outside Old Trafford in 2006 before the Chelsea semi. Pondlife.

[Istvan Kozma]

Good evening fellow filth. Not sure this guy is relevent enough to start a thread, so here you go.

 

Hodgson will be better off away from this Anfield filthRoy Hodgson has been a football manager for 35 years.

He has managed three national teams and his club sides include Inter Milan, Fulham and now Liverpool.

His record is impressive because he is a widely respected and talented coach who knows what he is doing.

When he took over at Anfield in July, he inherited a largely mediocre squad of players. Some had lost form, others lacked ambition and a few were simply stealing their salary. This remains Hodgson’s problem and he is being well paid to solve it.

Criticism is something he must endure but what he should not have to endure is the wave of incoherent filth currently swamping the Liverpool fan websites.

^top‘Just **** off, Roy! ... Like a dog hit by a car, the only thing to do is put it out of its misery ... I ******* hate you! ... I have never hated anyone as I am starting to hate this idiot now.’

It is as if, having chased the corporate chancers George Gillett and Tom Hicks out of town, they have acquired an appetite for persecution. The unspeakable anti-Hodgson ‘petition’ is further evidence of fatuous muscle-flexing.

We may dismiss the insults as the work of poisonous dullards but Hodgson is suffering this abuse on a daily basis. Ultimately, the chances are that Liverpool’s new owners will panic and the fools will have their victim.

‘He will never be a Liverpool manager,’ said one furious loon. ‘He will never get what it means.’

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bit about the record made me laugh. if this is already on here, then crucify me so, but it is a long thread..;

[dennis tooth]

Daily mail bile is not surprising. We want the media darling OUT and the media turns on us, the article is proof that we are acting right as you'd expect to see that. As with teh Barclays the Samuels and so on.

[Code]

Bit of a major flaw in the "Europa League two legged knock out games are well suited to Roy`s set up" approach - The Final is a one off game away from home.

 

Foiled by those pesky kids!!!!

 

Getting to a final would also be nice, its been a while.

[RED Tezza]

Getting to a final would also be nice, its been a while.

 

 

Hold on code. Weren't those goalposts over there a minute ago. stop moving them will ya thanks.

[Moo]

AS I said' date=' lame excuse'

 

It's blatantly in defence of Rafa embracing Fergie, otherwise why would you feel the need to write what I've bolded in your initial post ?

 

[b']Whats source for the goose is source for the gander[/b].

 

Clearly I agree, as I said I have no problem with either of them shaking hands with Ferguson, do you?

If you want to have a go at someone for having a go at Roy, or for defending Rafa and not Roy, then it's quite obvious you've picked the wrong person to have a go at. You're reading too much into my post and I have no idea why. Did he hurt you that much?

[Guest TesticleOReilly]

Getting to a final would also be nice, its been a while.

 

And to think 3 in 3 years would be enough for some!

[MOGLET]

Since when has that mattered to people with the Munich songs over the years?

 

One of my worst memories as a red was seeing some ''fans'' singing ''Who the fuckinhell is that'' to the Busby statue outside Old Trafford in 2006 before the Chelsea semi. Pondlife.

 

Sadly not many realise Busby once played for us, or even that Sven had an insight into LFC with Fagan, and loves us to this day!!!!

 

There are lots of fans from all the clubs, who dont have a clue about lots of things, I usually just call them cunts, and get on with being a Red.

 

 

I personally think the Liverpool way will need re writing soon, as the one most of us know seems to have been lost in translation over the last few years, so we need a new set of rules to go by.

 

 

 

I blame it on chavs :)

[Kennys_spell]

Getting to a final would also be nice, its been a while.

 

Getting to the final and losing is coming 2nd - weren't we second two seasons ago?

[Code]

Hold on code. Weren't those goalposts over there a minute ago. stop moving them will ya thanks.

 

No they were not, you need to read other people posts better obviously.

[moz]

Came across this on wikipedia and I thought this looks extremely familiar....

 

Hodgson's second season with Blackburn did not match the relative success of the first, due to numerous injuries,[13] dressing room unrest, the failure to find an adequate replacement for departed central defender Colin Hendry,[14] and a succession of poor buys – notably the £7.5 million Kevin Davies. As a result, Blackburn had a disastrous start to the season and Hodgson was sacked in December 1998, with the club bottom of the league table.[15] As Hodgson later explained, Blackburn's owner gave him the chance to resign honourably, but he refused to do so, leaving the club with no option but to sack him: "To Blackburn's honour, Jack Walker wanted me to resign, he wanted to still pay for the rest of my contract. He said, 'Why don't you resign? You've had enough, it's not working out.' I refused to do that, arrogant of course as I was in those days. I thought if they stuck with me I'd save them from relegation. I do think that the players were very much still with me, so I couldn't resign because that would be a suggestion that in some way I was doing something or something was happening which I didn't see to be the case or the truth. I gave him no choice but to sack me".[16] His final game was a home defeat by Southampton.[15][17]

[dennis tooth]

Fucking hell, he is pathetic. Never fails to mention that "award" in an interview as if it makes him the greatest manager of all time.

 

He's a loser. A coward and a fraud.

 

He's like Audley with his gold medal.

[dennis tooth]

Agree with that Code. In an ideal world we would be winning trophies and finishing top 4 and even winning titles.

 

Someone said what use is winning an FA Cup or Europa League if you finish mid table? Ask Manchester United fans what they think of their FA Cup win back in 1990 after finishing 13th in the league and the catalyst for their two decades of dominance under Ferguson.

 

We only currently have Pepe, Carragher and Stevie left from our last trophy win back in 2006. Our players don't know what it is like to experience winning a trophy for this club and you have people being blase over the possibility over winning one. Mad.

 

Winning that first trophy in five years could whet the appetite for further success. Look at 2001 as a case in point. We won our first trophy in six years in the February then went on to win two more in the May more than likely because of the confidence winning the League Cup gave us at the time.

 

Yeah then we spent the rest of our years under Houllier in a football wilderness. It was a catalyst for nothing except restoring some pride in the fans who'd become so success starved as we'd won a solitary league cup in 10 years.

You don't need trophies to compete for the league you need a good manager and players. Funny the likes of Code say it's not enough when it's Benitez but at other times it's the be all and end all. Agenda? Make what you will of it.

[Moschops II]

The thing is first we have to play Sparta Praha and if we can beat them then its the winner of Braga-Lech Poznan then we find ourselves in the quarter finals and I would be lying if I said I did not fancy our chances against the already mentioned teams.

 

I fancied us against Northampton. Funny old world, eh?

[drewy]

I was disappointed –* and I've told him this – that he –* Dalglish – applied for the job in the summer because I don't think that was ever really going to happen for him.

Putting Liverpool legend Dalglish in his place, a man who has won more trophies than Hodgson has Premier League away* games in his entire time in England

 

That quote in paticular makes my fucking blood boil.

 

Why doesn't he just fuck off and take his mother fucking shitty signings with him?

[Code]

Yeah then we spent the rest of our years under Houllier in a football wilderness. It was a catalyst for nothing except restoring some pride in the fans who'd become so success starved as we'd won a solitary league cup in 10 years.

You don't need trophies to compete for the league you need a good manager and players. Funny the likes of Code say it's not enough when it's Benitez but at other times it's the be all and end all. Agenda? Make what you will of it.

 

What have I said exactly?

 

If Rafa had won trophies in his last 4 years here and if it was possible to spot any steady progress in any part of the club while he was here he should have been allowed to continue.

 

Such a progress did not exist though and neither did trophies after Rafa gor to put his own stamp on the team, thats why he had to go.

 

I said I would be very happy if Hodgson could win us a trophy, but I would still like him to leave rather sooner than later, especially since I did not want him here in the first place and he has done nothing to make me change my view.

 

Hodgson will not be able to give us much of a progress either, simply because he seems unable to understand that he will have to change and develop his ideas to take this club a step forward, just the same as with Rafa where it always was one step up and two steps back.