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we don't know that yet. He hasn't had the resources available to him now in previous jobs. It's pointless to debate on whether he's good enough or not on this forum, because it's too early to judge. Let's wait until the end of the season.

 

 

No its not. We know, you don't. Hodgsons' record is an open and very long book.

 

You have spent years sneering at Rafa with ethnic and other personal insults in a pathetic attempt to be recognised as cognoscenti by the anti-Rafa loonies on this site. Now you offer a constant stream of comparisons between Rafa and Hodgson in a rather stupid attempt to prove that the latter is superior. Hodgson's record at LFC is proving what was already obvious to most.

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It was a pretty crap article though wasn't it? Even if I do understand the authors and the poster's reasons for it given some of the more hysterical commentry, it doesn't really help balance the discussion if the points are poor, waffly and without cogent argument.

In this case the monkeys are spot on, and Stringvest is driving a very shit car. Gerrim!

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This really is a good read.

 

Yet Again, Ferguson is Wrong About Liverpool | The Tomkins Times | Paul Tomkins' blog about Liverpool Football Club (LFC)

 

Its long but here's an interesting excerpt:

 

"However, none of our research shows Rafa Benítez to be anything approaching the root of Liverpool’s financial problems in the past few years, in the manner Ferguson suggests. Indeed, it shows a job well done by the Spaniard, based not on my bias but on the cold hard facts. Benítez does not come out top in any of the numerous categories, but he is consistently one of the better performers.

 

What the research does show – in crystal clear form – is that Liverpool were never more financially adrift of Manchester United in terms of £XI and Sq£ than during the past six years. Indeed, it clearly points to an expensive Liverpool team in the ‘90s performing well below expected levels, with the Reds growing increasingly poor in relation to other big clubs."

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Yet another good read. Tomkins talks about whose responsible for the present mess and concludes its not the manager of Inter Milan.

 

So, Whose Fault Is It? | The Tomkins Times | Paul Tomkins' blog about Liverpool Football Club (LFC)

 

This is an excerpt:

 

"To compound the mess created by the awful Americans, Rafa’s purchases in the last two years weren’t universally successful, and Roy’s methods, on the early evidence, don’t seem appear suited to the personnel, and possibly, to a big club (or one with big expectations). But it’s complex.

 

He neither has the personnel for his more simplistic 4-4-2, which can be relatively effective; nor does he seem to be able to get 4-2-3-1 (or variations thereof) to work. Equally, he hasn’t had the money to buy the ideal striker to dovetail with Torres in his version of 4-4-2, so right now we are getting neither the best of Roy’s Fulham approach (which in itself may not transfer to Liverpool), nor the best of Rafa’s more fluid, modern approach."

 

And another:

 

"So it’s not simply a case of Rafa leaving some dross, or Roy getting the tactics all wrong, or the players not performing. Perhaps all of these are true to varying degrees, but the main concern is that the squad depth is just withering away.

 

Perhaps harder to understand is why Aquilani was loaned out, when finally fit and, within reason, raring to go. Insua was loaned out, too.

 

These were two of the more technically gifted players in their respective roles, with the potential to improve (Insua as he’s still a kid, Aquilani as he adapts and recovers from injury). Unless Roy actually wants a small squad, then it’s hard to see why they were sent away; if saving a couple of players’ fairly moderate wages is that important, then that says a lot.

 

To compound matters, Daniel Agger, the best ball-playing centre-back since Alan Hansen, has been relegated to reserve left-back. Is it any wonder the Reds are struggling to build from the back? And did Roy really need to pay almost £5m for an aging defensive midfielder who, on the evidence so far, is making even the most ardent Lucas-basher a convert?"

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Do what you clown? You do realise the two articles I posted had a bit of praise in aswell dont you?

 

He's suited to certain types of clubs. Just not us.

 

That was embarassingly defensive, you need to get out more. I know you're getting desperate after you've spent the last 5 months making an arse out of yourself but come on!

 

What odd logic. Just because someone adds some praise, it doesn't make their criticism any more valid. It is still the opinion of one player. Stringvest posted the opinion of another player. it isn't any more or less valid either. 6 games is too soon. It doesn't take a genius to point out that so far things haven't been going well, but that is only so far.

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What odd logic. Just because someone adds some praise, it doesn't make their criticism any more valid. It is still the opinion of one player. Stringvest posted the opinion of another player. it isn't any more or less valid either. 6 games is too soon. It doesn't take a genius to point out that so far things haven't been going well, but that is only so far.

 

No matter how you dress it up, you are right!

 

However iI don't think it is so much a case of Hodgson proving himself, but more a case of him confirming our fears/misgivings, I think that is the the worrying aspect.

 

To me fans are not judging him to early simply because they have already judged him on his previous CV, (Boss came in!), this isn't fair to Roy but it is unfortunately the only tangible aspect to help form our opinions.

 

I personaly think that there is a general malaise about the club, it is as though everyone seems to think that they don't have to try and improve or adapt as it is a difficult situation.

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Are you saying that getting to the Europa League final and losing is a bigger achievement than getting to the Champions League final and losing?

 

I was referring to the "mickey mouse" comment.

 

There is this attitude out there, that if it isn't the EPL or the CL, nothing else that we take part in, is considered worthy enough to win by some of us. It's wrong.

 

We're in the UEFA this year. If we win it, I'll be thrilled to bits. Anyone who tells me, it was only a mickey mouse cup we shouldn't give a toss about, will get earache here.

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What odd logic. Just because someone adds some praise, it doesn't make their criticism any more valid. It is still the opinion of one player. Stringvest posted the opinion of another player. it isn't any more or less valid either. 6 games is too soon. It doesn't take a genius to point out that so far things haven't been going well, but that is only so far.

 

 

Why do People take these "Six games" in isolation? We've actually played (including friendlies) 15 games - the performances within those 15 games has been anything but stellar. His opening games with us ALLIED with his previous track record of mediocrity over the last 30 years of his management career is what I am judging him on. To do anything else - such as judge him over the last "Six games" is a little silly in my view.

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Barclay having come out the pearl last season, of course, of "Why would Roy Hodgson want to manage Liverpool? Roy Hodgson is more ambitious than Liverpool"; not verbatim. He's part of the same mob who'd have recommended Holloway, McCleish, Allardyce, Hughes: anyone but that bumbling ranting Spic. This isn't surprising.

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Barclay was/is very close to Houllier, and really took it personally when the club dispnsed with Ged's services - his articles and comments changed very quickly then from positive to negative. He obviously likes Hodgson, but doesn't seem sure what his position is any more on the club. That probably explains, in part, why he's all over the place these days.

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there will be plenty of these "give him time pieces". the press moaned like fuck english managers dont get a chance,so they will do anything to defend them in there jobs.

All this its only been 6 games is bollocks.

15 games so far and barring the first half against the Macedonians and 30 mins against arsenal we have been dire.

The players he has signed barring Raul(who is not a number 10/linkman)hsve been over priced. The fowards he was linked with on the last day should never be seen in a red shirt and today we have been linked with Routledge.Probaly shit but when you tried to sign luke young who knows

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