Take Rafa back..

[Gary Mac Legend]

Why can't you get your fucking head around this:

 

I RATED BENITEZ. I RATE HIM NOW. BUT THE TIME WAS RIGHT FOR HIM TO LEAVE. WE FINISHED 7TH LAST SEASON AND LOST 19 GAMES. 19 GAMES. 19 GAMES.

 

Stop being such a fucking girl about a manager who hadn't won us anything in 4 years while spending a shitload of money.

 

And please stop reeling the usual "You're a sky sports fan you lad". It just makes you look like a tit.

 

 

Why does reeling the usual 'Sky Sports fan' make me a tit? You are one. So the point stands.

 

Spending a shitload of money!? You know better than that.

 

One bad season? That's now good reason to remove a manager. Charming sentiment, this is what our fans have become? You may say the problem was Benitez, is Hodgson the solution? If he has a bad season is he out?

 

Dress it up all you want, we removed an elite world class manager for a journeyman on the back of a good UEFA Cup run with an unfancied side.

[Wor Horse]

Why does reeling the usual 'Sky Sports fan' make me a tit? You are one. So the point stands.

 

Spending a shitload of money!? You know better than that.

 

One bad season? That's now good reason to remove a manager. Charming sentiment, this is what our fans have become? You may say the problem was Benitez, is Hodgson the solution? If he has a bad season is he out?

 

Dress it up all you want, we removed an elite world class manager for a journeyman on the back of a good UEFA Cup run with an unfancied side.

 

An elite world class manager who couldn't win us the league? Couldn't get close apart from one season. Have a laugh.

 

And yeah he did spend a shit load of money, the little money he got from the cancers he wasted. Look at the summer of 2009, year after nearly winning the league he goes and wastes all that money on Aquilani and Johnson. The summer before that he wasted money on Dossena, Riera and Keane. £240mil in 6 years.

 

With 2 trophies won with a squad he didn't put together (he won them though fair and square but i'm talking about transfers) when the cards were on the table and he had to form a squad for himself he fucked up badly. Look at the squad we've got now, packed with journeymen and players that are passed it, because of him.

 

And how exactly am I a Sky Sports fan? I go the match. I know what the Liverpool Way is about, no one is bigger than LFC. You seem to need to learn that and get the fuck over Rafael Benitez.

[Gary Mac Legend]

An elite world class manager who couldn't win us the league? Couldn't get close apart from one season. Have a laugh..

 

 

He couldn't win us the league, do you not think there's extenuating circumstances as to why he couldn't?

 

When he arrived, Arsenal just had an unbeaten season, United had rooney, ronaldo and so on coming through, Chelsea were Chelsea. He had no chance, we could never go out to compete with Chelsea financially, nor did he have players like Rooney, C.Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Evra and so on emerging. He inherited a side that struggled to finish 4th, and won the CL with it.

 

 

And yeah he did spend a shit load of money, the little money he got from the cancers he wasted. Look at the summer of 2009, year after nearly winning the league he goes and wastes all that money on Aquilani and Johnson. The summer before that he wasted money on Dossena, Riera and Keane. £240mil in 6 years. .

 

All managers waste money, how much did Slur spend on Veron, Berbatov, Smith, Anderson, Nani. Mourinho on Shevchenko, SWP, Parker. His transfer dealings were very good prior to Hicks and Gillet arriving. Bear in mind he was dealing with Coco.

 

 

With 2 trophies won with a squad he didn't put together (he won them though fair and square but i'm talking about transfers) when the cards were on the table and he had to form a squad for himself he fucked up badly. Look at the squad we've got now, packed with journeymen and players that are passed it, because of him..

 

When he had to form a squad for himself, he fucked up badly? Really? I look at his players and I see the likes of Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Soto, Xabi, Masch, Momo, Garcia, Dirk, Yossi.

 

I see his squad that reached a CL final in 2007, a Semi-final in 2008, came the closest we've been to a League title since 1990 and by fortune we didn't win it. 86 points, 2nd place. Spending less than Slur and Chelsea to that date. Gross and Net. That involved rebuilding our shit squad from Houllier.

 

We've got a squad packed with Journeyman because of him? Are you fucking serious!? Rafa signed Poulsen, Jones and Konchesky I'm guessing? This is a man who rebuilt our academy, brought in Borrell and Segura. Thanks to him we have the likes of Shelvey, Pacheco, Ayala, Suso, Wisdom and others to be excited about.

 

And how exactly am I a Sky Sports fan? I go the match. I know what the Liverpool Way is about, no one is bigger than LFC. You seem to need to learn that and get the fuck over Rafael Benitez.

 

So you're on these boards complaining and moaning about 'the cancers' as you call them, is that before or after your on the website lining their pockets and extending their stay? Shameful.

 

When myself and others think of a 'Sky Sports Fan', you certainly come to mind. I'm not the first or last to give you that label.

[Dani Pacheco]

With 2 trophies won with a squad he didn't put together

 

Wouldn't have won either without Alonso or Luis Garcia

[vanishingpoint]

The Internet: Providing Popular Platforms For Over-Simplified Bollocks Since 1994.

 

"An elite world class manager who couldn't win us the league? Couldn't get close apart from one season. Have a laugh.

 

And yeah he did spend a shit load of money, the little money he got from the cancers he wasted. Look at the summer of 2009, year after nearly winning the league he goes and wastes all that money on Aquilani and Johnson. The summer before that he wasted money on Dossena, Riera and Keane. £240mil in 6 years.

 

With 2 trophies won with a squad he didn't put together (he won them though fair and square but i'm talking about transfers) when the cards were on the table and he had to form a squad for himself he fucked up badly. Look at the squad we've got now, packed with journeymen and players that are passed it, because of him."

 

 

And then he goes and digs himself even deeper with this:

I go the match.

 

Just about says it all. FS.

Edited September 20, 2010 by vanishingpoint

[JMARKH]

If we get taken over I wouldn't want to see him back here, he wasted millions on Keane, Aquilani, Dossena e.t.c spent more than Ferguson (net ) in his time here and couldn't deliver in terms of the title. Be interesting to see if he repeats Mourinhos feats of last season.

[Gary Mac Legend]

If we get taken over I wouldn't want to see him back here, he wasted millions on Keane, Aquilani, Dossena e.t.c spent more than Ferguson (net ) in his time here and couldn't deliver in terms of the title. Be interesting to see if he repeats Mourinhos feats of last season.

 

 

He's not going to win the treble this season, expecting him to do it this year is largely unreasonable.

 

He 'Net' spent more then Ferguson because of a certain sale of Ronaldo for £80 million. A player Slur had already signed before Rafa was here. If Rafa sold Torres, what would the net spend figures look like?

 

How much has Mourinho wasted on the likes of Mancini, Muntari, Pandev, Shevchenko, Parker, SWP.

[JMARKH]

He's not going to win the treble this season, expecting him to do it this year is largely unreasonable.

 

He 'Net' spent more then Ferguson because of a certain sale of Ronaldo for £80 million. A player Slur had already signed before Rafa was here. If Rafa sold Torres, what would the net spend figures look like?

 

How much has Mourinho wasted on the likes of Mancini, Muntari, Pandev, Shevchenko, Parker, SWP.

 

Ferguson coped much better than losing Ronaldo and Tevez where as we lost Alonso and fell apart, Rafa deserved to go in the end no question, whether Hodgson is the man to replace him i'm not sure.

[Gary Mac Legend]

Ferguson coped much better than losing Ronaldo and Tevez where as we lost Alonso and fell apart, Rafa deserved to go in the end no question, whether Hodgson is the man to replace him i'm not sure.

 

 

Man Utd look a shadow of themselves without C.Ronaldo. No big trophies since, I don't see them winning any this season. He's lucky to have the likes of Scholes and Giggs to call on.

[Wor Horse]

How am I lining the pockets of the Yanks by being on this board you fucking retard.

 

I'm not going to entertain everything else with a reply, it's all apologistic bollocks. You're all the same really, you think Rafa is bigger than the club. And he's not.

 

I meant I go the match in general by the way, just to clear that up, in relation to being called a Skysports Fan. You know, someone who only watches the matches on the telly. And you are the first and you will be the last...

 

I haven't been since West Ham away last season.

[lebron]

Finishing second in the league was going 'down hill'?? Bizarre.

 

Never mind reaching a second European cup final... I have to agree with the original poster. Agreed Rafa had a bad season last year, but imo our players (especially our so called leaders and "stars" on the pitch - e.g Carra, Gerrard and Torres) let themselves down just as much (or even more than) the manager.

 

As many already have pointed out, too much of Rafa's energy was focused on internal battles, but he was and still is a world class manager (hence the current European Champions picking him up).

 

Rafa coming back wouldn't be my first choice, but he'd be a hell of a lot closer to what I want than Roy Hodgson (that has been my view all along by the way, I fully expected exactly what we're getting, and I'm sure we'll get served more of the same in the coming weeks and months).

[lebron]

Bringing up the owners, while true they are the main problem, is missing the point re: Roy

 

Nobody expected the owners to grant a large transfer budget (or any budget to speak of) and having another transfer window with a net profit confirms that

 

Roy was SUPPOSED to be a great man manager to turn the players around from "Rafa's boring and ineffective style of play"

 

I have consistently and will consistently say this:

The great players we have were developed and fostered by Rafa. They were only world class BECAUSE of Rafa's tactics and strategies, not in spite of it.

 

Valencia found that out when Rafa left, when Aimar, Ayala etc suddenly became somewhat less than world class

 

My predictions that I have posted several times before:

1) Gerrard will not score 20 goals a season under Roy

2) Torres will not be the world class striker he was under Rafa, merely a "good" striker, like his Spanish form, not his previous Liverpool form

3) Carra will become decidedly average. No doubt age will contribute to that, but without zonal marking, his flaws will be much more apparent

4) Reina, while excellent, will not have the number of clean sheets as we are used to, ie vying for the golden gloves or winning it again.

 

No doubt they are all world class players, but they need to be under a world class manager to make them tick.

 

I am sure a great manager besides Rafa, like Hiddink, or Ancellotti (he is doing well this season) or Maureen may be able to do the same, but not Roy based on the current evidence

 

I would take Rafa back if new owners come back and wants him back. Why? Continuity. He has only left 3 months, it won't be a major upheaval to get the players back under his system, and much of his staff etc are still there.

 

I have no doubt Rafa would have won us the league if he was supported financially his tenure here.

 

As for his supposed "scheming and engineering", memories are short here aren't they? EVERY time he came out to the press, its because the owners "leak" something to the press and he has to counter. EVERY FUCKING TIME

 

A manager shouldn't have to defend himself against his employers in the press and battle the owners throughout his tenure. Thats a recipe for disaster. Its a miracle that we did as well as we did the past few seasons

 

It is no wonder a lesser manager is wilting so early on.

 

Great post, agree with most of this, especially the parts in bold.

[Wor Horse]

Even if he did come back he'd just fail again by fighting with any new owners, the man loves a battle off the pitch. He done it at Valencia, he done it at Liverpool and I bet he'll do with Moratti.

[lebron]

the italian league is so weak that rafa's inter will probably win the league again and knowing rafa quite possibly contend to the later stages of the european cup, as we will be wallowing with woy in midtable misery. sad when i think the only thing i look forward to, is watching the kids ( suso, sterling etc..) in the reserve matches and the odd glimpse of pacheco in the carling/ europa cup/ league! dark times boys.

 

And that is exactly what the Anti-Rafa LFC supporters (and Sky Sports and the rest of the English gutter press) will focus on, when only a year ago it was the bestest achievement ever by that super duper egoistical cunt Mourinho to win it (also forgetting that Mancini had won it a few years in a row before that. I have backed Inter to win the double (Scudetto and CL) this year too, would be fuckin' fantastic if they could beat Real and the Mancs on their way(6)

[lebron]

And now i've seen everything.

 

You didn't really bite on my fishing invitation regards Torres efforts against Birmingham, did you?

[Wor Horse]

It's not about anti-Rafa you tit. it's about supporting LFC.

[Gary Mac Legend]

How am I lining the pockets of the Yanks by being on this board you fucking retard.

 

I'm not going to entertain everything else with a reply, it's all apologistic bollocks. You're all the same really, you think Rafa is bigger than the club. And he's not.

 

I meant I go the match in general by the way, just to clear that up, in relation to being called a Skysports Fan. You know, someone who only watches the matches on the telly. And you are the first and you will be the last...

 

I haven't been since West Ham away last season.

 

 

I am the first? Really? I can find posts where you're called it by others.

 

I don't think Rafa is bigger than the club, I do though think he's far superior to Roy Hodgson and that we're going to suffer as a result of removing him.

 

When did I say you were lining the pockets of the Yanks by being on these boards? I said you were by paying to go to matches.

 

When you said 'I go the match' it wasn't exactly implying that you hadn't been in a very long time.

[dirk grout]

We have a worse manager than villa. If rafa came back we'd have a better one. Thats the only way we should look at things really.

[chauncey]

Bringing up the owners, while true they are the main problem, is missing the point re: Roy

 

Nobody expected the owners to grant a large transfer budget (or any budget to speak of) and having another transfer window with a net profit confirms that

 

Roy was SUPPOSED to be a great man manager to turn the players around from "Rafa's boring and ineffective style of play"

 

I have consistently and will consistently say this:

The great players we have were developed and fostered by Rafa. They were only world class BECAUSE of Rafa's tactics and strategies, not in spite of it.

 

Valencia found that out when Rafa left, when Aimar, Ayala etc suddenly became somewhat less than world class

 

My predictions that I have posted several times before:

1) Gerrard will not score 20 goals a season under Roy

2) Torres will not be the world class striker he was under Rafa, merely a "good" striker, like his Spanish form, not his previous Liverpool form

3) Carra will become decidedly average. No doubt age will contribute to that, but without zonal marking, his flaws will be much more apparent

4) Reina, while excellent, will not have the number of clean sheets as we are used to, ie vying for the golden gloves or winning it again.

 

No doubt they are all world class players, but they need to be under a world class manager to make them tick.

 

I am sure a great manager besides Rafa, like Hiddink, or Ancellotti (he is doing well this season) or Maureen may be able to do the same, but not Roy based on the current evidence

 

I would take Rafa back if new owners come back and wants him back. Why? Continuity. He has only left 3 months, it won't be a major upheaval to get the players back under his system, and much of his staff etc are still there.

 

I have no doubt Rafa would have won us the league if he was supported financially his tenure here.

 

As for his supposed "scheming and engineering", memories are short here aren't they? EVERY time he came out to the press, its because the owners "leak" something to the press and he has to counter. EVERY FUCKING TIME

 

A manager shouldn't have to defend himself against his employers in the press and battle the owners throughout his tenure. Thats a recipe for disaster. Its a miracle that we did as well as we did the past few seasons

 

It is no wonder a lesser manager is wilting so early on.

 

Some good points there.

 

Finishing 7th was unacceptable and if we repeat that then Roy should be blamed like the last failing manager was.

 

It's interesting to see that for a vocal minority on TLW it appears Dignity >>>>>>> Points. Hope youse guys retain that dignity if we finish below Everton.

 

And Ngog We Trust... *snigger*... worra cunt, eh lads?

[lebron]

It's not about anti-Rafa you tit. it's about supporting LFC.

 

Ehhhh, it says that you registered in March 09, is it only recently that you have started actually reading (and posting) on this forum? I'd say roughly 3 of 4 threads since you joined have been focusing on pro/against Rafael Benitez. Many (most) on here thought the solution to our worries was getting rid of one of the most succesful managers around at all cost. A few on here disagreed (I being one). Don't you think it's ok to have a look and see if we have improved? I agree with your forecoming inevitable comment that it's still early days, but I predict we will become even more sterile, more long balls from the back (that's first option if stakes are getting higher with Hodgson, just look at Agger's comments today) and we'll definitely do as bad (or worse) in the league as last year, even with Torres and Gerrard back to fitness.

 

See, I wouldn't have argued too much with Rafa leaving if we had some exiting, up and coming manager with fresh ideas and a tendency of winning trophies to succeed him. Perhaps we needed a fresh start, but we did not need Roy Hodgson, the blandest and most negative manager in Europe (may be overexaggerating slightly by now...).

[lebron]

We have a worse manager than villa. If rafa came back we'd have a better one. Thats the only way we should look at things really.

 

Yep

[hamstrung]

[Wor Horse]

 

Pretty much sums it all up.

[stringvest]

I'm neutral on it personally, but you won't get people agreeing on here mate. This forum is seen as vehmently anti-Rafa. Although I think it's unfair to say, it's even been stated that this forum got Rafa the sack.

 

Hells bells. Where was that stated I wonder?

[Lapskaus]

I'd take him back in a heartbeat. He built a great team, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano, Sissoko(before the eye injury), Lil Luis, aah good times.

Hodgson will never attract that kind of quality, Toivonen,Konchesky, Nevland and Poulsen is the future Im afraid