Kenny Huang linked to Liverpool takeover

**Barrington Womble** · August 19, 2010

He needs the Press, because he is reported to be dealing in behalf of the Chinese Government! And all the awkward shite that involvement of that kind brings.

No He doesn't. He needs to act in a professional manner and convince Broughton and his colleagues he is the right man for the job. What a bunch of fans think on a forum isn't going to come into it.

Everyone uses PR, again Barry, DIC used them when they were talking over the club, the Redknights are using PR to enable them to take over United, using PR is not indicitive of someone lacking funds. It is just as relevant to suggest that he is fully aware of how this is going to play out, and where it is going to be played out and has come prepared.

Now I am suspicious that there are indeed 5 genuine bids on the table. But let's take Purslows words at face value and there are. Only Huang and Kirdi out of the 5 have found the need to run a PR campaign. That means 3 of the remaining 5 bids are keeping their gobs shut and respecting their confidentiality agreements. You mention DIC using PR, but then I think they're pricks too and as bad as our owners are (in fact how easily Gillet out smarted them is frightening), I have no reason to suspect DIC would be better than we have today.

As for the RedKnights, when exactly are they buying the mancs? They're not because they don't have the money, they are shouting their existence from the roof tops to try and drum up more money. Do you see a parallel here with Huang?

And I don't see anyone saying that they are now not backing him! CIC have been quite evasive about their involvement, which suggests there is involvement of some kind, if they were not involved you would be in no doubt that they are not involved.

Have they been evasive? I thought that were quite clear and a spokesman said they had no involvement. That has only been soured by the spin that has followed with suggestions they are investing in other vehicles which would in turn invest in LFC, but that didn't come from CIC, it came from the people wanting to convince us Huang has the money. He was then pushing the story he was involved with some other comapny (Franklin somebody), who instantly backed away and then it was claimed it was just someone who cleaned their windows once or something.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has come up with conclusive proof that he does not have the funds, just lots of people reading between the lines and reading certain phrases from a particular perspective and that Martin Samuel column is a pile of shite, sorry but it is, using a multi billionaire as an example of how you run a club professionaly is irrelevant to say the least!

I am not talking about Martin Samuel, I wouldn't read the prick. However, it is not for LFC or me and you for that matter to prove Huang does not have the funds. The onus is on Huang to conclusively prove he does. As of Sunday he hadn't, yet already he is spitting his dummy out and wanting to walk away? And people want someone like that running our club? It beggars belief considering what we have been through the last 3 years.

Christian · August 19, 2010

I agree 100% with Barry Wom.

Not related at all, I just heard the fantastic noise of a horse's hoofs on the cobbled streets of the City of London. A sign?

**Redder Lurtz** · August 19, 2010

Chelsea were purchased the day before they would have gone bust and Mancity fot the price of Gerrard and Torres. Not really the same game here.

Excactly. Samuel is talking out of his arse here. Bates and Shinawatra were desperate to sell for different reasons. Due diligence didn't play too much of a part in either case. If I was spunking £400m of other peoples' money on a football club that's been owned by the cunt's we've got I'd want every stone unturning fully before I splashed my cash. So shut it Samuel, gobshite.

**George Costanza** · August 19, 2010

Excactly. Samuel is talking out of his arse here. Bates and Shinawatra were desperate to sell for different reasons. Due diligence didn't play too much of a part in either case. If I was spunking £400m of other peoples' money on a football club that's been owned by the cunt's we've got I'd want every stone unturning fully before I splashed my cash. So shut it Samuel, gobshite.

Depends how much you have in the first place. If CIC are heavily involved then £400m + financing outright a new stadium is still pocket change to them.

I agree very much with what Barry Wom has been saying

**Carra_is_legend** · August 19, 2010

Depends how much you have in the first place. If CIC are heavily involved then £400m + financing outright a new stadium is still pocket change to them.

£400m is probably a pocket change for them as they don't have a model to throw money away without satisfying themselves 100% on the return on their investment.

And I certainly won't expect them to change their model just to buy us. And anyone for that matter. As the moment someone does that to buy us, we won't be a business. We will be a rich man's play thing.

August 19, 2010

Tony Evan's webchat about the Takeover is starting now. Anybody able to give us a bunk over the paywall?

Evil_Ways · August 19, 2010

I dont necissarily believe an investor such as the consortium (believed to include CIC etc) Huang's negotiating on behalf of is in it to make money directly off of Liverpool FC, at least not at the first stage. More so indirectly through PR potential and power that exist with the brand LFC and the appeal of the PL. The PL is followed by a billion people, LFC's does have millions of fans across the world, not necissarily fans who follow the club on a daily basis, but certainly who watches games and follows what's going on in terms of results etc. The potential of this is beyond fucking massive in terms of marketing. I think it's these things Huangs consortium look at being interesting.

Whelan · August 19, 2010

No He doesn't. He needs to act in a professional manner and convince Broughton and his colleagues he is the right man for the job. What a bunch of fans think on a forum isn't going to come into it.

You don't know what he has said to Broughton, and therefore you don't know how professional he is or has acted.

As far as I am aware, PR is not for the hearts and minds of TLW, however important people think this website is! You are basing your opinion on what has been said, through what you have read and heard via the Media, whether you like it or not, a lot of information, and that is what we are talking about here, information and misinformation is released to, and used through the Media. Everybody has PR, it means nothing.

Now I am suspicious that there are indeed 5 genuine bids on the table. But let's take Purslows words at face value and there are. Only Huang and Kirdi out of the 5 have found the need to run a PR campaign. That means 3 of the remaining 5 bids are keeping their gobs shut and respecting their confidentiality agreements. You mention DIC using PR, but then I think they're pricks too and as bad as our owners are (in fact how easily Gillet out smarted them is frightening), I have no reason to suspect DIC would be better than we have today.

Again, for the sake of argument you have chosen to take what Purslow has said at face value! What if there is no bids on the table, what if the Yanks are stalling and what if, RBS, just as their release about the 'penalities' last week, are working with Huang to increase the pressure on the Yanks.

You have mentioned professionalism, well this is not going to be a professional transaction Barry because there are two fucking shysters invovled and obstructing every movement made to remove them, and they will use every method possible, either legal or illegal to maintain their hold on the club. They are not willing sellers, no matter what they say!

As for the RedKnights, when exactly are they buying the mancs? They're not because they don't have the money, they are shouting their existence from the roof tops to try and drum up more money. Do you see a parallel here with Huang?

You are missing the point, or more likely, I am not illustrating it well enough! We know who the Redknights are, we also know about the anti Glazer movement, and we know because they have been brilliant at tapping into the media, and building exposure, now it might not lead to anything, but it could lead to something!

Have they been evasive? I thought that were quite clear and a spokesman said they had no involvement.

I'll try and find something, but they were certainly not specific! It was something the lines of a 'No comment', but I will try and find something to back this up. They have certainly not been unequivocal about it.

I am not talking about Martin Samuel, I wouldn't read the prick. However, it is not for LFC or me and you for that matter to prove Huang does not have the funds. The onus is on Huang to conclusively prove he does. As of Sunday he hadn't, yet already he is spitting his dummy out and wanting to walk away?

See this is the crux, and what I am trying to get at! Who says he is trying to run away! The press, who put the article out there? Genuine question who, RBS, Huang?

How was it worded and interpreted? We know the press will and can, edit specifically to suit, maybe he is simply speaking directly to the Yanks, stop pissing about or I walk and you lose the club to the banks, maybe RBS want the pressure on the yanks. I don't know.

And people want someone like that running our club? It beggars belief considering what we have been through the last 3 years.

That is just emotional blackmail! Sorry but it is. The Parasites are two immoral crooks who have been proven time and time again to be liars and theives, and Huang at present has suggested he might be a bit unproffesional and might not have the money!

Whoever takes over will not be judged now, they will be judged in three years time!

**Barrington Womble** · August 19, 2010

You don't know what he has said to Broughton, and therefore you don't know how professional he is or has acted.

Broughton was really clear at the start of this process. He said credible bids will not be done through the press. Therefore I will judge Huang by the values the Chairman has told me he will be judging them and it would appear Huang has acted in an unprofessional matter. He talked in that chinese interview last week he had signed an NDA, yet went on to keep talking about the bid!! Unprofessional at best, no better than the Pompey & Notts C owners at worst.

As far as I am aware, PR is not for the hearts and minds of TLW, however important people think this website is! You are basing your opinion on what has been said, through what you have read and heard via the Media, whether you like it or not, a lot of information, and that is what we are talking about here, information and misinformation is released to, and used through the Media. Everybody has PR, it means nothing.

Who is it for then? I don't just mean this forum - i mean our fan base. Like it or not we have nothing to do with it. If it is for Broughton, ffs, this man is chairman of BA who get slammed pillar to post by the press on a daily basis, he won't give 2 shits about a campaign by a Chinese wide boy in the press.

Again, for the sake of argument you have chosen to take what Purslow has said at face value! What if there is no bids on the table, what if the Yanks are stalling and what if, RBS, just as their release about the 'penalities' last week, are working with Huang to increase the pressure on the Yanks.

You have mentioned professionalism, well this is not going to be a professional transaction Barry because there are two fucking shysters invovled and obstructing every movement made to remove them, and they will use every method possible, either legal or illegal to maintain their hold on the club. They are not willing sellers, no matter what they say!

I have taken Purslow's words at face value, not because I trust him, but because we are going through a takeover process. There are some really tight laws regarding what he can and can't say. Perhaps there are 5 bids and 3 are from members of this forum, but there must be 5 bids, he wouldn't be allowed to say anything else.

Broughton (as much as I distrust him too) has been brought in to attempt to make this process professional. You don't have to tell me about those shysters, I know they are cunts, but I fail to see how Huang acting like my 2 year old daughter when things aren't going his way is going to outwit Hicks and Gillet. In faxct I will tell you something for 100% sure, there is nothing more C&A would like than any genuine bidder who has the funds to walk away. However, all indications from our board over the last week has been to indicate they want to follow due process. David Moores and Rick Parry failed to carry out due dilligence on C&A and look where that got us. If Huang is genuine, there is no need for him to walk away. If his bid is the best it will win on it's merits.

You are missing the point, or more likely, I am not illustrating it well enough! We know who the Redknights are, we also know about the anti Glazer movement, and we know because they have been brilliant at tapping into the media, and building exposure, now it might not lead to anything, but it could lead to something!

It might not lead to anything, but it might lead to something. It could be something Huang said to his mate one day when he told him he was going to try and put a consortium together to bid for Liverpool. All of his actions indicate he does not have substance to back his words. I am not willing to be sucked into his PR machine.

See this is the crux, and what I am trying to get at! Who says he is trying to run away! The press, who put the article out there? Genuine question who, RBS, Huang?

How was it worded and interpreted? We know the press will and can, edit specifically to suit, maybe he is simply speaking directly to the Yanks, stop pissing about or I walk and you lose the club to the banks, maybe RBS want the pressure on the yanks. I don't know.

The story came from the Times. The times have clearly got connections to this bid (in fact I know they have connections to this bid). The story has come from Huang - how would RBS know Huang was ready to walk away? Why would they try to undermine Broiughton? Broughton like it or not (and I don't) is the best hope for RBS to get their money back and LFC fans to get their club back. This is a Huang story, it's clear as day.

That is just emotional blackmail! Sorry but it is. The Parasites are two immoral crooks who have been proven time and time again to be liars and theives, and Huang at present has suggested he might be a bit unproffesional and might not have the money!

Whoever takes over will not be judged now, they will be judged in three years time!

So my point is why would I support Huang? He has done nothing but suggest he is any different in anyway to our current owners - in fact everything he has done from day 1 has just illustrated he is not what we need. Personally I would settle for us going into administration rather than end up with more shit owners. It seems to me the only thing Huang has going for him is he is not C&A.

AmerScouse · August 19, 2010

i really don't think any previous situation can be compared accurately to what is going on now.

the fit and proper persons test is now 10x what it was when abramovich bought chelsea. no other club was being bought from the 2 leeches we have as owners, nor were any of those previously playing the stupid kind of games that are being played now.

my guess is kenny has a bid in and feels like he's being played. i think way too many people are reading way too much into the "There or thereabouts" line. wouldn't a better newspaper line have read "they haven't given proof of funds!". so its the papers twisting a quote from a banker. i think that actually means that there is still paperwork to be done.

as for barry's comment about questioning everything, i couldn't agree more, however questioning things, and then assuming doomsday scenarios are completely different things.

unfortunately all we can do is wait to see how it plays out and hope broughton etc do the right thing. i think the fact that they prevented G&H from refinancing already is a positive sign as to their intentions, even if his only intention is getting a commission at least it involves getting rid. and i think those that downplay the significance of him getting the new owners right aren't properly taking into account how important a persons reputation is in the business world for them not to take their legacy seriously.

Whelan · August 19, 2010

Well I don't know anything about Huang's bid, because I don't know anybody who is involved in any part of the process!

So, I don't know what the Times involvement in the bid is!

You have looked at what happened with the previous owners and that has determined your interpretation to the current bid, that is the same with me, but I have reached a different conclusion, I look at Mihir Bose's article and the effect that it had, and am reluctant to take anything, negative or positive, at face value!

All PR is, is a method for the hearts and minds! I really don't see what your problem is with it, because, I doubt very much that anyone can discern what is genuine and what is speculation, you refer to the interview last week, he was asked a question, what would your preferred reply have been? No comment?

I can tell you know, no matter what his reply was, someone somewhere would be reading it differently to you and me!

To me, he never said anything that is not already in the public domain, he just confirmed that he is bidding.

And if this sounds like it is support for his bid it isn't. I would like this to be true, because I like the Chinese, and I work with them, but if he can't prove his backing then he will not get the club! As you have pointed out yourself, Broughton is not going to be fussed by bad press. How you view this process, negatively or positively all boils down to interpretation.

**Carra_is_legend** · August 19, 2010

No one is "assuming" doomsday scenarios. Some fans, including me, are genuinely worried we might end up with a different twat.

I have nothing against Huang. Equally, I have nothing against Rhone group or Kirdi (even though he is pictured with C&A).

What I do have a problem with however, if Huang is a serious bidder with all funds in place and as rumoured with CIC behind him, why does he need to go and fucking cry about us delaying our acceptance? As Barry pointed out, if his bid is the strongest, it has to come out on top (assuming Broughton has the club's future in his heart of course). If it doesn't, surely he hasn't done his home work correctly and if he hasn't, why the fuck would he expect our chairman to make a decision quickly to favour him?

I would rather miss this transfer window and next if it meant we get a proper owner. Which might be Huang or might not be him. I just want someone fit and proper to run our club as if we get the decision wrong this time, no one in the world will be able to save us from our decline.

**Trumo** · August 19, 2010

All those of you who would be happy for the club to "take the hit" of administration to be rid of the leeches, answer this: what happens if the club enters administration, gets deducted 9 points, ends up in the hands of RBS, who then sell on to someone who turns out to be no better than the leeches? I ask this because nobody who has deemed administration an acceptable penance seems to have considered this possibility. Indeed, the view is that all will be sweetness and light after administration, purely because the leeches will have been removed.

**Carra_is_legend** · August 19, 2010

All those of you who would be happy for the club to "take the hit" of administration to be rid of the leeches, answer this: what happens if the club enters administration, gets deducted 9 points, ends up in the hands of RBS, who then sell on to someone who turns out to be no better than the leeches? I ask this because nobody who has deemed administration an acceptable penance seems to have considered this possibility. Indeed, the view is that all will be sweetness and light after administration, purely because the leeches will have been removed.

Aye. That possibility is always there.

If we are put in administration, I think its safe to say RBS will "write off" the penalty charges of £2.5m/week started in July or whenever. Which will mean the club can be sold for around £250m, which represents a very good value for anyone in LBO.

Basically buy the club for £250m (or so), build the new stadium, buy a few snoogy doogies and sell it for £1bn. Now, where have we heard that before?

**Barrington Womble** · August 19, 2010

No one is "assuming" doomsday scenarios. Some fans, including me, are genuinely worried we might end up with a different twat.

I have nothing against Huang. Equally, I have nothing against Rhone group or Kirdi (even though he is pictured with C&A).

What I do have a problem with however, if Huang is a serious bidder with all funds in place and as rumoured with CIC behind him, why does he need to go and fucking cry about us delaying our acceptance? As Barry pointed out, if his bid is the strongest, it has to come out on top (assuming Broughton has the club's future in his heart of course). If it doesn't, surely he hasn't done his home work correctly and if he hasn't, why the fuck would he expect our chairman to make a decision quickly to favour him?

I would rather miss this transfer window and next if it meant we get a proper owner. Which might be Huang or might not be him. I just want someone fit and proper to run our club as if we get the decision wrong this time, no one in the world will be able to save us from our decline.

spot on.

**Barrington Womble** · August 19, 2010

All those of you who would be happy for the club to "take the hit" of administration to be rid of the leeches, answer this: what happens if the club enters administration, gets deducted 9 points, ends up in the hands of RBS, who then sell on to someone who turns out to be no better than the leeches? I ask this because nobody who has deemed administration an acceptable penance seems to have considered this possibility. Indeed, the view is that all will be sweetness and light after administration, purely because the leeches will have been removed.

RBS don't want to go down as the bank who destroyed one of the biggest names in world football, it's not good for business. If we go into administration, they will want what is best for LFC, because ultimately it will be best for them. There are no guarantees of course, but it seems to me there'd be more chance of good owners than if C&A are picking.

redsfan · August 19, 2010

here is the transcript from the web chat.

Tony Evans:

Alright everyone. Hope you're all good today. I'll get stuck in then.

Mike, good to hear from you. It's a criticism that's been levelled at me all summer. And it's wrong. What I said, was that if the current ownership situation remained, then Torres and Gerrard would consider their future. I also said moves were afoot to 'extricate them with dignity'. Which they were.

I believe the captain mulled over Real - which would have meant him -putting in a transfer request and I don't think he'd do that - and Torres has been persuaded to give it more time. He doesn't want to leave but knows the ownership situation is untenable.

If Martin Broughton does not find a buyer by January, then Torres will leave the club.

Doom and gloom? One way of looking at it. A better way would be a wake-up call.

And you don't trust me. I'm sorry. Then just for you: wow! I love Anfield! Everything's great! Hey, we're gonna win the treble. Love and peace everywhere. Especially to the American owners and their flunkies.

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:06 Tony Evans

13:06

[Comment From DaveDave: ]

Hi Tony there has been so much claim and counter claim regarding the Huany bid. Is he really backed by the chinese sovereign wealth fund? Is he a credible business man? Or is he just using the Times as his PR machine?

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:06 Dave

13:09

Tony Evans:

Dave, CIC are certainly behind Huang. They have not denied it (they are very quick with official denials). The confusion started when the Financial Times quoted an unnamed source at CIC as knocking it down.

As for being used, our contacts are from a variety of sources. You never rely on just one. Anyway, if I thought they were trying to use me I wouldn't write it.

When you write something in The Times of London, you'd better be right. Writs will fly, P45s delivered.

Plus, they people who talk to me know I'd hunt them down and kill them

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:09 Tony Evans

13:10

[Comment From TineTine: ]

Hi Tony, can you shed some light on the situation regarding the new stadium? Are the plans at a stand still/on hold/dead? When would you realistically expect Liverpool to move to a new ground, if ever? Thanks.

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:10 Tine

13:12

Tony Evans:

Only if there are new owners, Tine. The council are growing tired of H&G's antics and will close the whole thing down as early as next year. The owners' budget just about stretches to a Subbuteo stadium

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:12 Tony Evans

13:12

[Comment From AKMAKM: ]

How long till Torres is off? How many years before Liverpool is a threat again? Is money the only way to the top in the Prem these days?

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:12 AKM

13:16

Tony Evans:

If investment arrives, Torres won't leave in the forseeable future. If it doesn't, January.

I don't think it's all about money in the Prem. I think that's a myth that grew in the late 1990s. A good manager with good scouts can win with a reasonable budget.

However, when money is being leeched out of a club left right and centre, it can kill any chance of success. That's what's happening at Liverpool.

Money will not buy the title for City, just like it didn't buy the European Cup for Chelsea. But when the lack of cash threatens stability, a club's in trouble

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:16 Tony Evans

13:16

[Comment From PedPed: ]

Give it to us straight, Tony. What's the latest? Is this thing going to happen or not and if it it doesn't who will be to blame? Broughton? China? Hicks & Gillett?

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:16 Ped

13:22

Tony Evans:

Ped, the thing is so convoluted, I've forgotten what straight is. The Chinese have their budget. All in, they will spend about £800m on the club in the short term - price, players, stadium.

That's their budget. They don't want to go over it. They're not buying for emotion, they're buying for profit.

H&G want more. They don't really want to sell.

So it comes to Broughton.

Now he comes to the table with a big reputation but was recruited by Hicks's mate Michael Klein (after me, "ah, the Wall Street rainmaker ").

Broughton was charged with selling the club in April. He hasn't. You get to the point where you stop believing in people.

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:22 Tony Evans

13:22

[Comment From Bob Bob: ]

Beyond Kenny Huang are there any other viable bidders?

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:22 Bob

13:25

Tony Evans:

Bob, as detailed by our back page today, RBS were saying that Kirdi's backers could be real but have shown no money (you'd never think bankers would take such a McCawberish outlook, would you? No wonder capitalism nearly slid down the pan two years ago).

They also said Rhone are still talking but don't have the money.

A simpler answer would have been 'No'

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:25 Tony Evans

13:25

[Comment From Danny Danny: ]

Was Yaya Khirdi just a big time-waster? And were/are Hicks and Gillett using to derail the genuine bids for the club?

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:25 Danny

13:28

Tony Evans:

Well I think so, Danny. On both counts.

Now here's the thing: I don't think football clubs are just any other business. I think they have cultural and communial significance.

So what I say to Broughton is tell us who the bidders are. What have they to offer? Let us look at them and see that they aren't just carpetbaggers. If they have the best interests of the club at heart, they shouldn't be scared of scrutiny.

Get out from behind closed doors. And that's what this paper has been trying to do. Get the information out there

Thursday August 19, 2010 13:28 Tony Evans