BBC Glastonbury Coverage

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

[Total Longo]

16 hours ago, Mook said:

Can't say I blame the big man. They should've been fucking shot for that. 

 

Actually they should have been shot as babies to spare us the rest of their bollocks. Music for deaf accountants.

 

13 hours ago, elvis said:

Ha , no they're just absolutely talentless boring cunts that drone on and fucking on.

 

Weird that, as from what i saw they just did three minute pop songs. Hardly Pink Floyd levels of droning on and on. It's just pop music. I'm no major fan of theirs, but it seemed like the audience was, you know, enjoying themselves. I know that's a weird concept.

 

Each to their own, i say. Personally, The Eagles and most jazz leaves me cold. 

[VladimirIlyich]

17 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

These Union Jack shaggers obviously sagged grammar and English lessons in general, when at school. 'coming hear.'

[Mook]

13 minutes ago, Total Longo said:

 

Weird that, as from what i saw they just did three minute pop songs. Hardly Pink Floyd levels of droning on and on. It's just pop music. I'm no major fan of theirs, but it seemed like the audience was, you know, enjoying themselves. I know that's a weird concept.

 

Each to their own, i say. Personally, The Eagles and most jazz leaves me cold. 

If people enjoy themselves, that's what it's all about. Nothing weird about it at all.

 

Personally I'd rather stick a hand grenade in my ear but to each his own.

[Total Longo]

1 minute ago, Mook said:

If people enjoy themselves, that's what it's all about. Nothing weird about it at all.

 

Personally I'd rather stick a hand grenade in my ear but to each his own.

You must have massive ears then, mate.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, Total Longo said:

You must have massive ears then, mate.

Never mind his arsehole!

[Mook]

1 minute ago, Total Longo said:

You must have massive ears then, mate.

I have a collection of tiny hand grenades actually.

[Paul]

12 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I think he's the most interesting and important musical artist on the planet. He apparently suffers badly with depression and question his faith. He's similar to many who have gone the church route before him, troubled. Marvin Gaye, Aretha, all them old blues players were the same, well Gaye got shot by his father who was a preacher. 

 

Lamar questions the whole rap culture and points at the hypocrisy of the church whilst calling himself a hypocrite for living that type of life.  He's a special talent. 

 

From his last track last night  'Saviour'

 

'Preacher told me the vaccine work of the beast..then he caught covid prayed to Pfizer for relief ..

So do I stay pure an end in bed for two weeks.. huh what you think?... I'm not your saviour 

 

So the cats out the bag im not your saviour...

find it difficult to love thy neighbour..

 especially when people ask ambiguous favours,

..but they heart not really in it, see it all for the paper..

Independent thought is the eternal enemy.., these capitalists posing as compasionists offend me..

think for yourself I'm not your saviour...

 

 

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Couldn’t agree more. He pushes the boundaries in a musical sense as well as every other. To Pimp A Butterfly still sounds radical even now, despite the fact he released it seven years ago. 
 

I thought the theatricality of his show was more akin to someone like Kate Bush than a global hip hop icon. The use of the contemporary dancers to almost represent different versions of himself could easily have been distracting or made him seem pretentious. However, they just elevated the power of the performance.
 

The whole Christ and blood iconography was fascinating too. No doubt some will have dismissed it as typical hip hop egotism and totally missed the points about faith and hypocrisy you’ve highlighted in your post. The message about women’s rights at the end was brilliantly done too. Not the usual over-excited preaching from the stage; it was interpolated into his lyrics and all the more incisive for it. 

[Preston Red]

16 hours ago, Total Longo said:

Was it the cover version of Always on my Mind that tipped you over the edge, Elvis?

Uh huh huh...

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Paul said:

Couldn’t agree more. He pushes the boundaries in a musical sense as well as every other. To Pimp A Butterfly still sounds radical even now, despite the fact he released it seven years ago. 
 

I thought the theatricality of his show was more akin to someone like Kate Bush than a global hip hop icon. The use of the contemporary dancers to almost represent different versions of himself could easily have been distracting or made him seem pretentious. However, they just elevated the power of the performance.
 

The whole Christ and blood iconography was fascinating too. No doubt some will have dismissed it as typical hip hop egotism and totally missed the points about faith and hypocrisy you’ve highlighted in your post. The message about women’s rights at the end was brilliantly done too. Not the usual over-excited preaching from the stage; it was interpolated into his lyrics and all the more incisive for it. 

Couldn't agree more. He's the complete opposite of how people lazily veiw a rap artist. He's far more complex and musically creative. It's obvious like other artists before him he struggles with the bullshit of the fame and the industry. Some of his stuff reminds me a bit of Prince, the stuff he's done with George Clinton is musically amazing. I find him fascinating. 

 

Let's have a track, the drumming, the bass line and the guitar on this is record sounds beautiful. I believe the bitch he's referring to is the music industry in general.

 

 

 

 

Edit; I thought his performance at Glastonbury was imo l a fantastic cultural observation on some of the problems facing America today, example being the apparent contradictions between the church and women's rights. He's an amazing artist.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Teach (and me) agreeing with Gnasher. 
 

Who’d have thought it. 

[stringvest]

17 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I think he's the most interesting and important musical artist on the planet. He apparently suffers badly with depression and question his faith. He's similar to many who have gone the church route before him, troubled. Marvin Gaye, Aretha, all them old blues players were the same, well Gaye got shot by his father who was a preacher. 

 

Lamar questions the whole rap culture and points at the hypocrisy of the church whilst calling himself a hypocrite for living that type of life.  He's a special talent. 

 

From his last track last night  'Saviour'

 

'Preacher told me the vaccine work of the beast..then he caught covid prayed to Pfizer for relief ..

So do I stay pure an end in bed for two weeks.. huh what you think?... I'm not your saviour 

 

So the cats out the bag im not your saviour...

find it difficult to love thy neighbour..

 especially when people ask ambiguous favours,

..but they heart not really in it, see it all for the paper..

Independent thought is the eternal enemy.., these capitalists posing as compasionists offend me..

think for yourself I'm not your saviour...

 

 

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I don't think rap works as the written word.  I was at a community poetry event last night and I heard better, more incisive stuff than that. 

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, stringvest said:

I don't think rap works as the written word.  I was at a community poetry event last night and I heard better, more incisive stuff than that. 

To be fair mate you were at the first reading of Hamlet so you're always going to be hard to sway towards anything contemporary 

[stringvest]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

To be fair mate you were at the first reading of Hamlet so you're always going to be hard to sway to anything contemporary 

Listen, I'm edgy and bang up to date.  As I type, I'm listening to the latest platter by Wet Wet Wet.

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Listen, I'm edgy and bang up to date.  As I type, I'm listening to the latest platter by Wet Wet Wet.

Hahaha 

[SasaS]

This Lamar must have had quite a solo career since Kajagoogoo split up for people to still talk about him.

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, stringvest said:

I don't think rap works as the written word.  I was at a community poetry event last night and I heard better, more incisive stuff than that. 

Yeah you're probably right. I'm not a rap fan as such, very few albums I like as the hard knock type bluster becomes nauseous. This fella is different he spins it all on its head and asks questions, questions of himself, questions of everyone He's almost mocking the madness of it all. 

 

 

Here's his musings on going back to Compton after finding fame. The music switches mid track to replicate the 90s/00s sound of the area of the huge artists of that time. Lamar is unique and that Puritzer prize he won was imo well deserved.

 

 

 

 

[johnsusername]

3 hours ago, SasaS said:

This Lamar must have had quite a solo career since Kajagoogoo split up for people to still talk about him.

It's a never ending story.

[Chip Butty]

4 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

It's a never ending story.

Hush hush. 

[Strontium]

Too shite.

[johnsusername]

A Kendrick Lamar concert is more a never ending lecture. 

[VladimirIlyich]

9 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Couldn't agree more. He's the complete opposite of how people lazily veiw a rap artist. He's far more complex and musically creative. It's obvious like other artists before him he struggles with the bullshit of the fame and the industry. Some of his stuff reminds me a bit of Prince, the stuff he's done with George Clinton is musically amazing. I find him fascinating. 

 

Let's have a track, the drumming, the bass line and the guitar on this is record sounds beautiful. I believe the bitch he's referring to is the music industry in general.

 

 

 

 

Edit; I thought his performance at Glastonbury was imo l a fantastic cultural observation on some of the problems facing America today, example being the apparent contradictions between the church and women's rights. He's an amazing artist.

Did that song title begin with 'Bitch?' That's progressive stuff!

[Strontium]

30 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

A Kendrick Lamar concert is more a never ending lecture. 

 

Until this thread I'd not heard anything he's done. Great for anyone who likes it, but it's not music, is it? More performance poetry with a musical backing. (Kend)Rick the People's Poet, if you will.

 

I freely admit I just don't get it.

[TheBitch]

I just watched Bicep, would have loved to have been there for that set. 

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, stringvest said:

I don't think rap works as the written word.  I was at a community poetry event last night and I heard better, more incisive stuff than that. 

Asks the question where are these home grown artists? We got Ed Sheeran?  His going back home song was about listening smoking roll ups and listening to Tiny Dancer. Harry Styles? Craig David?  Took her for a drink on Tuesday. I dunno where are the cultural social commentators? 

 

Where are the British mainstream artists writing about social issues?  Stormsey is possibly the only one I can think of. 

 

A lot of Lamar's lyrics are multi layered and get overlooked in context and translation. An example is the line from the record I played earlier about him going back to Compton..

 

"the only time the  government call you collect is when you son like the Isleys... 'between the sheets'

 

Harold Isley of the Isley brothers works on Lamars records along with ex funkadelic superstar George Clinton  They obviously know what the Isley brothers mean to past generations of Americans and they know the record  'between the sheets' is an all time lovers classic for generations. Over America most of black music seemed from religion. Nod to all the old blues artists, Aretha, Tina Turner, Sam Cooke, Bobby Womak, Marvin Gaye, Beyonce James Brown etc. Kendrick Lamar is the same.

 

Lamar is stating in one line that the song in today's America means death, someone lying on a slab   'between the sheets'  dead. A whole new meaning for a whole new America but its where America is. Hes pointing out this is where they've progressed, this is what they've become. It used to mean love now it signals death. 

 

I think he's culturally above any modern day artist about. He's definitely an acquired taste and he'll always divide opinion but there you go.  Just my opinion.