Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[RedRazor]

Dog, where is this extreme of 50% of the population not working coming from? I'd be interested to hear what you think the levels of unemployment that this system would be able to keep a lid on are, though? Where are we at in Southern Europe at the moment with unemployment and where are the big swings towards redistribution?

 

You genuinely don't seem able to, or willing to, consider the fact that technological advances displacing labour has disproportionately benefited the few and as such the many (who even if they do manage to still work in new industries have their wages depressed) are not, as you were trying to make out, morons who buy into the "Luddite Fallacy".

 

The sharing of economic growth has become utterly broken. Technological advances, population increases and globalistaion have been major factors in this. If fewer people are required for the machinery to work then unfortunately capital is happy to see them die in the gutter. Wealth is concentrating and all the evidence on the matter is that it will continue to do so. The machinery available for redistributing wealth has not been used. There is no reason to think it would start to be used. Your income redistribution figures are as much use as a marzipan dildo here, they are proven to be irrelevant or ineffective in tackling wealth inequality.

 

You can't imagine 50% unemployment because people would rise up. Maybe so. Maybe you just keep the 50% on pennies and keep the pounds. You'd think that the bottom 50% would rise up if they held less wealth than the top 1% do wouldn't you? But they don't do they? You might want to stretch that imagination a little. Capital isn't sharing the benefits of tech with Labour any time soon and it'll need something more that your apparent lack of imagination to combat the facts.

I don't want to get into semantics but surely we already have around 50% employment? (or unemployment if you are a glass-half-empty sort of person). The population of the UK is around 60m and there are around 30m people in work. Pensioners, school kids, disabled, non-working spouses/partners etc. who are not looking for work and a small percentage who are (or should be).

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[Carvalho Diablo]

[Bobby Hundreds]

So whats he saying... We've all had our memory's wiped. Those bastards.

[Section_31]

"Labour have vowed to ban the selling of sweets next to supermarket checkouts if they win the next election."

 

*sighs

 

*sighs again

[Stu Monty]

Tackling the big issues of the day. Radical thinking.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Labour really are shit aren't they. Instead of focussing on real issues they want to play nanny to people's personal choices.

[Section_31]

Everytime I see Balls bleating about living standards for the middle class I want to fucking cry. There needs to be a left wing UKIP.

[Stu Monty]

Everytime I see Balls bleating about living standards for the middle class I want to fucking cry. There needs to be a left wing UKIP.

 

What they say will be almost certainly be driven by demographic data and focus groups. It will be things that will statistically likely to appeal to people in areas they need to appeal to people to win votes and seats.

 

It's the fact that we now elect followers of polls and not leaders of men that depresses me.

[Anny Road]

What they say will be almost certainly be driven by demographic data and focus groups. It will be things that will statistically likely to appeal to people in areas they need to appeal to people to win votes and seats.

 

It's the fact that we now elect followers of polls and not leaders of men that depresses me.

This is why people like UKIP and arseholes like Boris Johnson. Despite thier nonsense they have a personality and appear to have the same weaknesses as us all.

[VladimirIlyich]

This is why people like UKIP and arseholes like Boris Johnson. Despite thier nonsense they have a personality and appear to have the same weaknesses as us all.

Yeah,i often sack my chauffeur and butler on a regular basis too.

Quite uncanny the weaknesses we share.

[Strontium]

No, but I remember when firefighters were jailed for insurance scams and drug smuggling though.

 

"Firefighters subject to same human failings as politicians and bankers shocker"

[polymerpunkah]

So when do the politicians go to jail?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Tackling the big issues of the day. Radical thinking.

Probably not their only policy, to be fair.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

No, but I remember when firefighters were jailed for insurance scams and drug smuggling though.

 

"Firefighters subject to same human failings as politicians and bankers shocker"

Bit strange to bring up two individuals who happen to be fire fighters as a rebuttal to criticism of wide spread systematic abuse and a broken financial system.

 

Had the majority of firefighters got together and started a drug smuggling ring, using their stations as places of operations, you might have a point. As it is, you're having a go at firefighters for one person's misdead.

 

Weird.

[Strontium]

So when do the politicians go to jail?

 

Don't you follow the news? At the last count 5 Labour MPs and 2 Conservative Lords had been jailed for expenses scams.

[Strontium]

Bit strange to bring up two individuals who happen to be fire fighters as a rebuttal to criticism of wide spread systematic abuse and a broken financial system.

 

Had the majority of firefighters got together and started a drug smuggling ring, using their stations as places of operations, you might have a point. As it is, you're having a go at firefighters for one person's misdead.

 

Weird.

 

It was a rebuttal to the nonsensical implication that firefighters are somehow immune to the very human flaws of others.

 

Granted, firefighters lack the means and opportunity to affect the world on quite the scale of politicians and senior bankers.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

It was a rebuttal to the nonsensical implication that firefighters are somehow immune to the very human flaws of others.

 

Granted, firefighters lack the means and opportunity to affect the world on quite the scale of politicians and senior bankers.

You totally failed to address the point. There's a big difference between the individual and the collective.

[polymerpunkah]

Don't you follow the news? At the last count 5 Labour MPs and 2 Conservative Lords had been jailed for expenses scams.

 

Not the British news, beyond what the CBC reports, and what I pick up here.

 

How many were found to have been fiddling with their expenses?

[polymerpunkah]

We've had a few, lately, here in Canada.

 

But 389 out of 752?

 

I had no idea. That's hilarious, frankly.

 

And there are 44,000 firefighters in the UK?

 

I think NV has a point.

[Anubis]

It was a rebuttal to the nonsensical implication that firefighters are somehow immune to the very human flaws of others.

 

Granted, firefighters lack the means and opportunity to steal from the world's population on quite the scale of politicians and senior bankers.

 

I'm sure you'll forgive the necessary edit.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Everytime I see Balls bleating about living standards for the middle class I want to fucking cry. There needs to be a left wing UKIP.

Think I'm gonna start voting green. Fuck the fear politics of not wanting Tory's again, you either vote for what you personally believe to be right or you fall into the trap of maintaining a status quo by always opting for the lesser of two evils. My worry with the greens is I hear they are doing a bad job in Brighton but then the other party's are generally doing a bad job everywhere else. I think green suits my own personal beliefs.

[VladimirIlyich]

Think I'm gonna start voting green. Fuck the fear politics of not wanting Tory's again, you either vote for what you personally believe to be right or you fall into the trap of maintaining a status quo by always opting for the lesser of two evils. My worry with the greens is I hear they are doing a bad job in Brighton but then the other party's are generally doing a bad job everywhere else. I think green suits my own personal beliefs.

To be fair to the Green party it may be that they are being restricted by the other parties in the way any country that tries to adopt socialised policies that benefit their population is restricted by the US.

[Bobby Hundreds]

You could be right. At least they seem to stand by their convictions. Personally I don't see why absolutely every aspect of the world has to be governed by how much profit is in it for somebody. I'm naturally a labour voter but not anymore they are essentially the same as the Tories the corruption is somewhere above them and their strings are pulled towards the same end. If I vote labour because that's the way I've always voted how can I complain about a society that I vote to maintain.

[Section_31]

The problem with the greens is branding. You just assume they're going ban you from using your car and charge you £10 for using plastic bags.