Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"

[JER]

Post of the Year So Far!!

 

Good on your girl Melons, I hope she goes far!

 

Second that emotion

[Spy Bee]

My eldest has Soto's syndrome, we had a vast amount of input from years 4-8. Initial prognosis was grim (from a parent's point of view), both physically and mentally. She'd never be main stream, language would always be basic. never manage unsupported.

 

She's a dream 15 year old, in main stream doing her GCSE's. Without any one to one support. I know damn well without the intensive input given in those early days she'd of be relatively no better now then she was then, infact the educational psychologist at the time said she'd never regain ground that's already been missed. She's caught up and surpassed some of her peers. I've no doubt she'll be a productive member of society, she wants a degree in primary education. Well worth that initial investment i'd of thought.

 

No government is going to make cuts in paediatric healthcare. It's just not going to happen.

[melons]

No government is going to make cuts in paediatric healthcare. It's just not going to happen.

 

It's not health care as far as health care goes, it's the service sector in general. Speech therapy is an excellent place to start, when my daughter was little she had appointments with the specialist every week and a specialist one to one key worker with her every day in school. Now you have an assessment with therapist and a non specifically trained one to one key worker dishes out the therapy, 6 weeks later you see said speech therapist, reviewed and if needed back on the list for another cycle of therapy that could take months to happen.

 

Social services disabilities team, the criteria to be on their books is more stringent then it's ever been. Again, once you reach a certain criteria you lose the ability of receiving their support and it get's thrown back on to the charity sector to provide it (if you meet their criteria). The thing is, they aren't an over flowing barrel of funding either.

 

Cuts will take place everywhere, it's just not going to be as clearly visible as 'we're withdrawing that treatment'. It'll be you don't meet the new set out criteria for it, it doesn't matter that it'll be cheaper in the long run, cheaper for now is all that matters.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

No government is going to make cuts in paediatric healthcare. It's just not going to happen.

 

Tell me that when, like in Canada, thousands of nurses are out of work.

 

Maybe I'm being kafkaesque here, but the ramifications of cuts of the sort being talked about the Conservatives are very serious.

[Red Mist]

Labour created a lot of pointless public sector jobs when they came to power to reduce unemployment. Many of these jobs serve no purpose and exist only to provide income to the employee. That's fine in the private sector but totally unacceptable when the taxpayer is footing the bill for all these posts and quangos.

We can save billions of pounds by decimating the many public sector initiatives that Labour has created that serve little or no purpose to the public.

Sadly this will result in a loss of jobs and pay cuts but Labour should be held accountable, not the present government that has to clean up their mess.

[L19red]

Labour created a lot of pointless public sector jobs when they came to power to reduce unemployment. Many of these jobs serve no purpose and exist only to provide income to the employee. That's fine in the private sector but totally unacceptable when the taxpayer is footing the bill for all these posts and quangos.

We can save billions of pounds by decimating the many public sector initiatives that Labour has created that serve little or no purpose to the public.

Sadly this will result in a loss of jobs and pay cuts but Labour should be held accountable, not the present government that has to clean up their mess.

 

can you provide some examples to back-up your rant?

[Strontium]

Red Mist is right, we need to take an axe to the Quangos.

 

As a vegetarian, things like the Meat and Livestock Commission and English Beef and Lamb Executive spring to mind, but I've no doubt there are dozens of others of these things which we could happily do away with without causing too much anguish to the general public.

[Section_31]

Red Mist is right, we need to take an axe to the Quangos.

 

As a vegetarian, things like the Meat and Livestock Commission and English Beef and Lamb Executive spring to mind, but I've no doubt there are dozens of others of these things which we could happily do away with without causing too much anguish to the general public.

 

To be fair I agree with that. I was reading about 4NW losing their funding the other week and try as I might, I couldn't actually nail down what they actually do. There was just a lot of lofty talk about 'representing the North West' in various matters and 'placing stakeholders at the heart of decisions', they also 'sign off' the single regional strategy. I'm assuming this all translates as having lots of dinners with plenty of token yams.

 

Look at this shit - 4NW :: > Regional Planning > North West of England Plan - Regional Spatial Strategy to 2021 > Preparing 'The North West of England Plan'

 

Four years of paperwork, 'engagement', consultations and meetings.

[aws]

Canada or Greece?

 

Greece or Canada?

 

Tough choice but someone's got to make it.

[Section_31]

Tell you something else which worries me. Is that the people leading this cuts campaign don't strike me as being especially bright. Even the most ardent Tory wouldn't argue with the claim that failed journalist Osborne wouldn't look out of place being helped to use a spoon. Cameron looks frequently baffled too. That Gay Lib Dem treasury bod who got fucked off was supposed to be pretty astute but he's been replaced with a former PR man like Cameron, fucking brainless the second.

 

Slag Blair and Brown off as much as you want, but one thing you can't dispute is that they had sharp minds. Fuck, even Major was supposed to be a brain box, apparently he elicited great jealousy among his banking colleagues because of his Curtis Warren-esque photographic memory.

[JER]

Tell you something else which worries me. Is that the people leading this cuts campaign don't strike me as being especially bright. Even the most ardent Tory wouldn't argue with the claim that failed journalist Osborne wouldn't look out of place being helped to use a spoon. Cameron looks frequently baffled too. That Gay Lib Dem treasury bod who got fucked off was supposed to be pretty astute but he's been replaced with a former PR man like Cameron, fucking brainless the second.

 

Slag Blair and Brown off as much as you want, but one thing you can't dispute is that they had sharp minds. Fuck, even Major was supposed to be a brain box, apparently he elicited great jealousy among his banking colleagues because of his Curtis Warren-esque photographic memory.

 

John Major - the only man to leave the circus and become an accountant.

 

Cameron and Osborne indeed come across as fuckwits and scare the shit out of me. Thatcher at least was a proper politician (an evil one) Cameron is a contemptable PR guru who will go down as the most incompetent PM in history. If he had guided us through the economic crisis we would have had mass unemployment and mass repossessions.

[RJ Fan club]

To be fair I agree with that. I was reading about 4NW losing their funding the other week and try as I might, I couldn't actually nail down what they actually do. There was just a lot of lofty talk about 'representing the North West' in various matters and 'placing stakeholders at the heart of decisions', they also 'sign off' the single regional strategy. I'm assuming this all translates as having lots of dinners with plenty of token yams.

 

Look at this shit - 4NW :: > Regional Planning > North West of England Plan - Regional Spatial Strategy to 2021 > Preparing 'The North West of England Plan'

 

Four years of paperwork, 'engagement', consultations and meetings.

 

Massivily ill informed there and stooping to the lowest common denominator. As someone who took part in the South East regional spatial strategy there are no dinners.

 

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I was never even covered for my expenses.

 

By you're own ommission you're not sure what it actually does. Probably best not to be critical.

 

RSS's are not my cup of tea, but if you want to involve the public more, de-centralise and plan effectivily for future housing, transport, waste, minerals, employment etc, then you will need one.

 

Most of the money has probably been spent on consultation. Of which the Tories are calling for more in their 'Localism' agenda.

Edited June 8, 2010 by RJ Fan club

[Redder Lurtz]

How will you get the deficit down then Stu?

[Vincent Vega]

How will you get the deficit down then Stu?

 

Personally I'd start with the bailed out banks - "You know those tens of billions of pounds the taxpayer bailed you out with, can you start paying some of that money back pretty damn sharpish". £80 billion handed over to RBS and Lloyds/HBOS, that would make a huge hole in the deficit and is far more palatable than starving money from health and education.

 

The benefits system must also be looked at, why do we give family allowance to people with joint incomes of over £60k - they use that money to fund their winter skiing holiday, not to dress and feed the kids. Also why do we encourage the feckless to have enough kids for a football team, I'd like to see a policy where you get family allowance for the first three kids and after that if you want more you have to finance them yourself by earning a wage. I've obviously only scratched the surface there, and I'd like to think if enough money could be saved in ways like I've mentioned and more, we may even be able to give pensioners a bit more.

 

I'd rather see money saved in the ways I've described above than in the areas where the funding is needed.

[Section_31]

 

* shudders

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Personally I'd start with the bailed out banks - "You know those tens of billions of pounds the taxpayer bailed you out with, can you start paying some of that money back pretty damn sharpish". £80 billion handed over to RBS and Lloyds/HBOS, that would make a huge hole in the deficit and is far more palatable than starving money from health and education.

 

Don't forget the share of the banks we still own that could be sold.

[Section_31]

Massivily ill informed there and stooping to the lowest common denominator. As someone who took part in the South East regional spatial strategy there are no dinners.

 

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I was never even covered for my expenses.

 

By you're own ommission you're not sure what it actually does. Probably best not to be critical.

 

RSS's are not my cup of tea, but if you want to involve the public more, de-centralise and plan effectivily for future housing, transport, waste, minerals, employment etc, then you will need one.

 

Most of the money has probably been spent on consultation. Of which the Tories are calling for more in their 'Localism' agenda.

 

Say what now? I thought the 4NW wasn't the same as the regional spacial strategy? It's an organisation of all council leaders (and third sector and business chiefs) in the North West which 'signs off' on the strategy. The former North West Regional Assembly, the 'voice' of the North West. Is it not?

[RedEagle]

 

* shudders

 

The bitch has been knocking back the old elixer of life, looks like she hasn't aged.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

He has missed an opportunity to win over his critics there. If he started slamming her head in the fucking door, he would have been in power 'til his last breath.

[Section_31]

Clegg and Cameron spit roast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't want that mental image did you?

[RJ Fan club]

Say what now? I thought the 4NW wasn't the same as the regional spacial strategy? It's an organisation of all council leaders (and third sector and business chiefs) in the North West which 'signs off' on the strategy. The former North West Regional Assembly, the 'voice' of the North West. Is it not?

 

My sincerest appologies mate. I've misread that a criticism of the RSS and after another shit week, gone off one one. I think it be that our was called SEERA and was abolished a while back, so I've missed that step of the loop.

 

I wont stand in your way for critising the regional governments.

 

That'll teach me to jug in.

[Strontium]

 

* shudders

 

 

In the interests of balance ;)

 

 

The old bag looks like she's getting younger, maybe she's been bathing in virgins' blood or something.

[Section_31]

My sincerest appologies mate. I've misread that a criticism of the RSS and after another shit week, gone off one one. I think it be that our was called SEERA and was abolished a while back, so I've missed that step of the loop.

 

I wont stand in your way for critising the regional governments.

 

That'll teach me to jug in.

 

haha no worries brother.

[bigbak]

I may have got the complete end of the stick.

 

But hadn't Labour got us out of recession, and slowly but surely on the up? And why do bitches be trippin when this was a global economic recession?

 

0.3% growth is hardly getting out of a recession. We're in shit now after bailing out banks and savage overspending. If the public sector had been a bit more prudent all the useful that may need to go would have survived.

Basing everything on non existent growth and immigration was doomed to failure.

 

Personally I'd cut tax credits, benefits, family allowance, raise VAT and income tax. Hit everybody.

Too many scroungers with sky and all inclusive holidays.

[TheBitch]

Personally I'd start with the bailed out banks - "You know those tens of billions of pounds the taxpayer bailed you out with, can you start paying some of that money back pretty damn sharpish". £80 billion handed over to RBS and Lloyds/HBOS, that would make a huge hole in the deficit and is far more palatable than starving money from health and education.

 

 

Its nothing but criminal that we're paying for these cunts.