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Whittington sales in white goods, televisions, smartphone controlled heating... Phones4u did none of that.

Vodafone and EE obviously planned to take on the stores, what's wrong with that?

Did you read the bit about the profit before the merger. Last time I checked Phones 4U and Carphone Warehouse both sold phones for a variety of networks, not fridges.

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I might be naive about this but i thought if a young person works, pays tax and then finds themselves unemployed its his right to claim unemployment benefit.

 

A hypothetical situation, kid leaves school, joins army at 16, goes to iraq, leaves army at 19, can't find job, after six months kids housing and unemployment benefit stops.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/28/david-cameron-welfare-youth-unemployment

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Did you read the bit about the profit before the merger. Last time I checked Phones 4U and Carphone Warehouse both sold phones for a variety of networks, not fridges.

I'd imagine that Car Phone Warehouse have seen the writing on the wall and realise that once their deals with the networks expire they are going to be (drum roll please) disintermediated.

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I'd imagine that Car Phone Warehouse have seen the writing on the wall and realise that once their deals with the networks expire they are going to be (drum roll please) disintermediated.

I agree, it doesn't make what happened to Phones 4U correct though. Not in any kind of socially responsible society anyway.

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Low paid jobs for low skilled people. That's not a problem for anyone who is prepared to learn a skill. If you're not, you reap what you sow.

 

Dividends are absolutely dependent on product performance, your point there is bordering on the absurd.

 

What a fucking horrible attitude you have.

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I work in the mobile industry (sadly) and phones4u demise is more private equity related than outdated business model.

 

They were that indebted that the were asking for payment upfront on every contract they sold.Issue with that is their primary market was youth orientated thus had a higher level of defaults. The network normally pay carphone and phones4u per month and clawback non payments.When you primary partner is also your competitor you have to be reasonable in your terms.

 

They also issue a load of bonds in April and then used that to pay themselves a dividend of 200 million which is very dodgy and also signals to the networks you're on your arse.

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I don't accept that at all, no. I assumed you were probably referring to the nationalisation of some banks during the financial crisis, which was a totally different situation and so irrelevant to this.

 

No, I was referring to the complete failure of the financial system and the requirement of it to be bailed out across the globe and have it's utter collapse socialised. So not irrelevant at all.

 

I'd like you to explain how that fits into your belief of constantly moving towards greater efficiency.

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Low paid jobs for low skilled people. That's not a problem for anyone who is prepared to learn a skill. If you're not, you reap what you sow.

 

Dividends are absolutely dependent on product performance, your point there is bordering on the absurd.

 

 I look forward to the day when people like you are getting shoved around by a low skilled person on low skilled pay whilst the owner of your nursing home is absolutely raking in the extortionate fees your estate pays. You know what i mean, having them frustrated low skilled uneducated workers acting out their resentment and frustration on your feeble old body, it's like, errr reaping what you sew an all that. 

 

ETA - Wanker. 

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What a fucking horrible attitude you have.

Because I don't feel sorry for people who refuse to take advantage of the unprecedented level of opportunities for training and development that the modern world offers? Sue me, Peter. If you can't be bothered to do anything with your life, why do you deserve sympathy when you get next to nothing in return?

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Low paid jobs for low skilled people. That's not a problem for anyone who is prepared to learn a skill. If you're not, you reap what you sow.

 

Dividends are absolutely dependent on product performance, your point there is bordering on the absurd.

Bullshit.

If you live in the real world,which it seems you dont,you know full well that most people will train for a skilled job if given the chance but there are no such schemes. The Job Centres dont supply accredited training schemes to get young people into work as they dont have the money or the power to do so.

You will get your comeuppance eventually,maybe when you find your Pension scheme has been pilfered by venture capitalists.

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No, I was referring to the complete failure of the financial system and the requirement of it to be bailed out across the globe and have it's utter collapse socialised. So not irrelevant at all.

 

I'd like you to explain how that fits into your belief of constantly moving towards greater efficiency.

A very small number of financial institutions were nationalised, some major institutions did collapse, others were given temporary access to public money. That was a much larger and more complex situation than we're talking about here. Allowing banks to fail would have caused a serious level of social unrest, so they had to be protected. It's backwards, in terms of efficiency, but protecting them was the least worst option available.

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Bullshit.

If you live in the real world,which it seems you dont,you know full well that most people will train for a skilled job if given the chance but there are no such schemes. The Job Centres dont supply accredited training schemes to get young people into work as they dont have the money or the power to do so.

You will get your comeuppance eventually,maybe when you find your Pension scheme has been pilfered by venture capitalists.

No such schemes? Education is available to everyone in this country. It can be funded by loans that you don't pay back until you're earning a decent wage. It's available via a range of methods such as evening classes, distance learning, online learning etc. If you start by showing the minimum initiative required to be proactive about your development, you'll find training schemes on offer in abundance.

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Bullshit.

If you live in the real world,which it seems you dont,you know full well that most people will train for a skilled job if given the chance but there are no such schemes. The Job Centres dont supply accredited training schemes to get young people into work as they dont have the money or the power to do so.

You will get your comeuppance eventually,maybe when you find your Pension scheme has been pilfered by venture capitalists.

So there are no trainee jobs around? I've got quite a few mates who's kids are starting them, tradesmen (one plumber, 2 plasterers and a couple of sparks) plus another with Network Rail. Network Rail one is decent money to start but the others are bit shit until college courses passed. Once they are qualified though they are in clover.

 

Strange attitude from Melons, seems to imply that low paid workers can't be trusted to,do their jobs?

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No such schemes? Education is available to everyone in this country. It can be funded by loans that you don't pay back until you're earning a decent wage. It's available via a range of methods such as evening classes, distance learning, online learning etc. If you start by showing the minimum initiative required to be proactive about your development, you'll find training schemes on offer in abundance.

Your lack of knowledge of social science means that you've got a terribly warped view of the opportunity afforded to people. You also don't seem to have any idea about a sizeable chunk of workers working in low-paid, unskilled work. It's not because they're unskilled.

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So there are no trainee jobs around? I've got quite a few mates who's kids are starting them, tradesmen (one plumber, 2 plasterers and a couple of sparks) plus another with Network Rail. Network Rail one is decent money to start but the others are bit shit until college courses passed. Once they are qualified though they are in clover.

 

Strange attitude from Melons, seems to imply that low paid workers can't be trusted to,do their jobs?

 

I trust low paid workers more than i trust high paid politicians, business men ect. 

 

Edit, i would also like to question how those mates kids aquired those tradesmen opportunities? Dare i question that its a more who you know not what you know system going on there? 

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Your lack of knowledge of social science means that you've got a terribly warped view of the opportunity afforded to people. You also don't seem to have any idea about a sizeable chunk of workers working in low-paid, unskilled work. It's not because they're unskilled.

What's a "sizeable chunk"? Do you have a source that explains that a bit more thoroughly? No doubt some skilled people have found that their skill set is no longer in so much demand. Those people should be retraining, or ideally should have retrained before it was too late. Constant development is what it's all about. All you've got to do is show a bit of initiative and take advantage of the unprecedented level of opportunities for learning and development that we all now have access to.

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No such schemes? Education is available to everyone in this country. It can be funded by loans that you don't pay back until you're earning a decent wage. It's available via a range of methods such as evening classes, distance learning, online learning etc. If you start by showing the minimum initiative required to be proactive about your development, you'll find training schemes on offer in abundance.

 

 

Education isn't just about what is learnt academically or on schemes. It's much more intrinsic then picking up the odd qualification here and there. 

 

This Utopian society you think is factual seems to only exist in your Tory like fantasies. 

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I trust low paid workers more than i trust high paid politicians, business men ect. 

 

Edit, i would also like to question how those mates kids aquired those tradesmen opportunities? Dare i question that its a more who you know not what you know system going on there?

 

Network Rail I know was a long process, defo no nepotism there as you'd expect. Not sure on the others but I know a couple are going out of area so doubt it's mates. At the cricket club I play at there are as many young lads doing trades as at Uni. The 21 yr olds this year are split between those with 25k debt and those starting to earn decent money as they come out of apprenticeships.

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Network Rail I know was a long process, defo no nepotism there as you'd expect. Not sure on the others but I know a couple are going out of area so doubt it's mates. At the cricket club I play at there are as many young lads doing trades as at Uni. The 21 yr olds this year are split between those with 25k debt and those starting to earn decent money as they come out of apprenticeships.

 

I wouldn't expect much in that way from huge companies, but i would for the smaller ones. I was reflecting back to school leaves of 20 years ago getting on a YTS scheme and those that are leaving now and doing modern apprenticeships. The acceptable standard of education to get on such courses has increased dramatically. People in poverty do not have the free will those who are more affluent have, they are restricted by their circumstances, show me any 16 year old on a council estate that will have the same life chances a child from a middle class family? 

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Competition is tough, surely the firms have a right to the best available workers? Most are small 2 or 3 man operations so they pick ones that did well at school, if a kid doesn't try at school his/her options will be limited.

 

Indeed, the same could be said that if a child isn't given the opportunity to try at school their options would be limited?

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