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Cameron: "Cuts will change our way of life"


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Isn't it right to suggest that if all the tax dodging was dealt with, there'd be no deficit at all? And if so, this whole problem is a 100% con?

If you include non-payment of the old Community tax as evasion then I am sure you will be pleased that Liverpool Council are doing their bit to help the country out of the current crisis.

 

On a more serious note we need to do something about those organisations that avoid corporation tax (eg Google, Amazon, Starbucks etc) and that power is in the hands of every citizen in the country. But most choose to just shrug their shoulders, accept it and continue to use their services - and in the process cost the economy billions.

 

But tell the same people that some fella down the road has fiddled £4.69 out of incapacity benefit and they will want to form a lynch mob.

 

Strange world isn't it?

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This is possibly the best and most sensible post I have seen on this site. Covers it all. If anyone repeats this in an election debate they will get my vote irrespective of their party. 

 

*applauds and bows

With the greatest respect to Section, I think any serious politician who announced that he or she turned a blind eye to benefit fraud would be punished by the voters, not rewarded.

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If you include non-payment of the old Community tax as evasion then I am sure you will be pleased that Liverpool Council are doing their bit to help the country out of the current crisis.

 

On a more serious note we need to do something about those organisations that avoid corporation tax (eg Google, Amazon, Starbucks etc) and that power is in the hands of every citizen in the country. But most choose to just shrug their shoulders, accept it and continue to use their services - and in the process cost the economy billions.

 

But tell the same people that some fella down the road has fiddled £4.69 out of incapacity benefit and they will want to form a lynch mob.

 

Strange world isn't it?

Definitely, and well said.

 

But I think things just got a whole lot stranger if this is right, I think it might be best for some of you to have a read through and see what you think : http://thetruthaboutunemployment.wordpress.com/

 

The idea is that, as far as I can tell from a quick read so far : unemployment is deliberate. They don't want full employment because it leads to hyper-inflation. So if that's right, all this from Osborne and so on is so much worse that I'm struggling to get my head around it. Will have to have a full read though later.

 

I typed into google "how the bank of england rigs the market", because as far as I remember the bank of england is a private bank, that like the federal reserve in the US, basically works with the banks to control and manipulate the economy.

 

Anyway, will have to look at it again later, but I definitely suggest having a read.

 

edit - I can't resist quoting some of it :

 

It has been the policy of every UK government (and those of most other countries) for over 30 years to ensure that unemployment is prevented from falling below what is often described by economists as a “sustainable”, “natural”, “structural” or “equilibrium” rate of unemployment (these terms are interchangeable).

 

On the rare occasions that this policy is discussed in the mainstream media we find that economists, journalists, and politicians usually reveal themselves to be in favour of using unemployment to exert what is deemed to be the necessary “downward pressure on wages” in the name of controlling inflation.

 

This website exists to shine a spotlight on what has long been standard government policy regardless of which party is in power – namely, deliberately creating insecurity and poverty through unemployment, and thereby putting downward pressure on wages for those who are in employment. It is sometimes said that there is no longer a commitment to full employment – this  implies that governments are merely being passive in not pursuing policies which would otherwise result in higher levels of employment. The reality is that governments and their institutions study the labour “market” very closely, and actively pursue policies which are designed to ensure unemployment is not allowed to fall to a level euphemistically described as “unsustainably low”.

 

The most damning evidence for this despicable policy can be found in the minutes of the monthly meetings of the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) of the Bank of England which have been published since June 1997.

 

Here`s an example from its December 1997 meeting, where the minutes recorded the MPC`s concern with the different effectiveness of long and short-term unemployment in pushing wages down:

 

“The empirical evidence in general supported a more powerful role for short-term unemployment in putting downward pressure on wages. Some studies suggested that only short-term unemployment mattered. But recent Bank research had suggested that, although short-term unemployment was more important, the potential downward effect of long-term unemployment on wages should not be disregarded.”

 

While a fairly large amount of media coverage is given to unemployment, what is missing from the vast majority of the mainstream media (unsurprisingly) and the left-wing alternative media (surprisingly) is the politically explosive evidence that governments ensure there are always too few jobs in the economy.

http://thetruthaboutunemployment.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/what-causes-unemployment-2/

 

Just checked and the part quoted is from page 11 of the annex section, page 19 of the .pdf, listed as number A44.

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Anybody see Alistair Campbell rip the arsehole out of the Mail on Newsnight? He said to him, 'you are the worst of British values, posing as the best' and he's spot on. Say what you want about that horrible cunt, Campbell, but he is one of the smartest political operators about.

 

What a grotesque paper that is, and how ironic coming from a paper that backed the Nazis in the 1930's

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With the greatest respect to Section, I think any serious politician who announced that he or she turned a blind eye to benefit fraud would be punished by the voters, not rewarded.

Benefit fraud seems to be something which really pissed you off. It's not really a big issue is it, though? In the grand scheme of things, it just isn't something to get worked up over. At least not until other matters have been dealt with.

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I see recently that Lord Freud (Welfare advisor for the Government) came up with this peach:

 

 

 

Lord Freud also said the Department for Work and Pensions is working up an alternative to restrictive ‘zero hours contracts’, where workers are contracted to an employer but not guaranteed any hours.

 

 

 

He said: ‘One of the things we are testing is something called “slivers of time”. It is a marketplace for short hours. You would get yourself onto Tesco basic training, so you would be able to work for Tesco. Then Tesco would say “right, we want three hours on Wednesday afternoon – what am I bid?”. That group would say “I’ll do it for £10 an hour, £15 an hour, £30 an hour, whatever, so there would be a marketplace” and we are testing that out.’

 

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/regulation/housing-benefit-cap-will-be-kept-under-review-says-freud/6528809.article

 

 

 

Hmm you have to compete with others by offering yourself at the lowest possible price to do work- sounds great!

 

 

 

Jesus this mob really are appalling.

 

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Benefit fraud seems to be something which really pissed you off. It's not really a big issue is it, though? In the grand scheme of things, it just isn't something to get worked up over. At least not until other matters have been dealt with.

 

Obviously not, but he's right though. To a lot of spackers it is.

 

As horrendous as facebook undoubtedly is, it's unfortunately quite a good gauge of at least one generation of the voting public. Compare the amount of "im sik of werking mi a** off to pai 4 scrngrz", to how many critical comments there are on banks or big business.

 

I find it extremely depressing.

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Obviously not, but he's right though. To a lot of spackers it is.

 

As horrendous as facebook undoubtedly is, it's unfortunately quite a good gauge of at least one generation of the voting public. Compare the amount of "im sik of werking mi a** off to pai 4 scrngrz", to how many critical comments there are on banks or big business.

 

I find it extremely depressing.

I'm not sure Facebook is a good indication of the voting public. I suspect a large proportion of internet mongs don't vote and spout 'insightful' rhetoric at election time about 'voting jst ncurages dem'. People are dumb.

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Obviously not, but he's right though. To a lot of spackers it is.

 

As horrendous as facebook undoubtedly is, it's unfortunately quite a good gauge of at least one generation of the voting public. Compare the amount of "im sik of werking mi a** off to pai 4 scrngrz", to how many critical comments there are on banks or big business.

 

I find it extremely depressing.

It's definitely one of the biggest artificial issues, along with immigration and debt.

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I'm not sure Facebook is a good indication of the voting public. I suspect a large proportion of internet mongs don't vote and spout 'insightful' rhetoric at election time about 'voting jst ncurages dem'. People are dumb.

 

Well, I hope you're right.

 

The current government, however, would suggest quite a lot of them are.

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I see recently that Lord Freud (Welfare advisor for the Government) came up with this peach:

 

 

 

Lord Freud also said the Department for Work and Pensions is working up an alternative to restrictive ‘zero hours contracts’, where workers are contracted to an employer but not guaranteed any hours.

 

 

 

He said: ‘One of the things we are testing is something called “slivers of time”. It is a marketplace for short hours. You would get yourself onto Tesco basic training, so you would be able to work for Tesco. Then Tesco would say “right, we want three hours on Wednesday afternoon – what am I bid?”. That group would say “I’ll do it for £10 an hour, £15 an hour, £30 an hour, whatever, so there would be a marketplace” and we are testing that out.’

 

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/regulation/housing-benefit-cap-will-be-kept-under-review-says-freud/6528809.article

 

 

 

Hmm you have to compete with others by offering yourself at the lowest possible price to do work- sounds great!

 

 

 

Jesus this mob really are appalling.

 

Fucking hell. Revolution. Now.

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I see recently that Lord Freud (Welfare advisor for the Government) came up with this peach:

 

 

 

Lord Freud also said the Department for Work and Pensions is working up an alternative to restrictive ‘zero hours contracts’, where workers are contracted to an employer but not guaranteed any hours.

 

 

 

He said: ‘One of the things we are testing is something called “slivers of time”. It is a marketplace for short hours. You would get yourself onto Tesco basic training, so you would be able to work for Tesco. Then Tesco would say “right, we want three hours on Wednesday afternoon – what am I bid?”. That group would say “I’ll do it for £10 an hour, £15 an hour, £30 an hour, whatever, so there would be a marketplace” and we are testing that out.’

 

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/regulation/housing-benefit-cap-will-be-kept-under-review-says-freud/6528809.article

 

 

 

Hmm you have to compete with others by offering yourself at the lowest possible price to do work- sounds great!

 

 

 

Jesus this mob really are appalling.

Back to the good old days.

 

http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/docklands/5-dockers.html

 

Most dock workers were employed on a casual basis. Although some 'permanent' men were employed full-time by the dock companies, the vast majority were casual labourers taken on by the day, half-day or even by the hour.

 

Several times a day there was a 'call-on' at each of the docks when labour was hired for short periods.

 

The 'call-on' was a desperate business for if the men could not get work then they and their families did not eat.

 

 

"You can imagine for a moment from 1,500 to 2,000 men crowded together, the front men forced up against the chain: the back men are climbing over the heads of those in front, and the contractor behind the chain is picking out the men, generally his own favourites.               

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Obviously not, but he's right though. To a lot of spackers it is.

 

As horrendous as facebook undoubtedly is, it's unfortunately quite a good gauge of at least one generation of the voting public. Compare the amount of "im sik of werking mi a** off to pai 4 scrngrz", to how many critical comments there are on banks or big business.

 

I find it extremely depressing.

 

A big part of this is educational attainment, it's far easier to get in a heap about Mr. Jones down the road fiddling his Road/Council Tax in tens of pounds than trying to understand the enormity of the sums of money that various banks/mobile phone firms/Online retailers and service providers are evading and avoiding (I’m aware there is a difference) in Tax revenues.

 

It’s why shitehawk political phrases like “economy starts at home” gain traction as you can make it relatable to people who are disengaged or find the idea of trying to understand any sort of corporate finance difficult.

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I agree with all that.

 

One of the thing which annoys me about all this shit, and the fact the training organisations employed by the government are all short termist, corrupt thieving cunts, is that adult education should be massively expanded and free.

 

At some point, and this is a tragedy, education has become viewed as a commodity, a bigger example of a bankrupt society you will never find.

 

But one of the things good quality unions always advocated, and the likes of the socialist and communist parties in Britain, was the importance of education for their members, and the arts for that matter, that's just not in the equation now at all. The onus will be getting people off the taxpayers' tit by fair means or foul, nothing more.

 

Imagine if the state bankrolled its own company and its own educational institution and just took the reins again in a major industry? It'd be fascinating. Say it took on something like BAE again, trained people en mass and started churning out major projects we could be proud of as a nation like Concorde again. It'll never happen though, B&M is the best these people can hope for I imagine.

You make an excellent point about Unions providing educational schemes for their members and I am aware of this as my own sister works in this area for the TUC here on Merseyside and the North West as a whole. She herself is now only on a 12 month contract as the Unions are having to make cutbacks themselves. Less jobs means less Union members means less Union fees and fewer educational schemes.

Another of the reasons that the Tories are happy to see large numbers of people out of work and desperate to take jobs that pay very little. After all,they dont have to mix with the great unwashed do they?

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Benefit fraud is a crime, and as such should be treated as a separate entity to the Welfare system. It's like banning trainers, because some are used to make quick getaways after robberies.

Thats an excellent analogy but you would think tax avoidance was a crime too but very little is being said or done about the people and companies who do that.
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Thank god I am not under 25. If them cunts come in and there are no jobs I would forced not advised or guided but forced to go into education, an apprenticeship or grt nothing to help me survive.

 

This gives carte blanche to the government to put out contracts to tender so the likes of Group 4 can put them on any apprenticeship and waste any potential skills they could have in a role for 3 years that they are potentially unsuited for. For a massive amount of reasons.

 

How about giving them a wide choice of careers that they can get into, and not something to just tick a box.

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Good way to make unemployment figures look good though without actually improving anything. I can't think of anything worse than giving many under 25's no money at all, many who live with parents and have to pay keep, not enough work or spaces on courses and face it some just ain't smart enough. I can see crime rising big time. Won't effect the toffs though.

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