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“I do not know what will happen in four or five months. In football, things change” – Manuel Garcia Quilon

 

Let the music play and the dance start anew. Liverpool supporters know the steps. A big job on the continent becomes available. Rafael Benitez’s name is brought up. A fairly anodyne suggestion from his agent, Sr Quilon, that he cannot predict the future – after all, Benitez may be king come May, he may have ditched football for a role as a TV handyman – is picked at, pored over. Whispers of contracts, of unhappiness, of the lure of some exotic city, grow into a cacophony, countered only by acquaintances and friends insisting he is happy on Merseyside. Round and round and round we whirl. Only in August, when the merry-go-round ceases and the dizziness stops, will we know. A nervous nausea or the elation of adrenalin? It depends what happens. It depends what you want to happen.

 

First, then, some facts. Juventus is the job du jour for the beleaguered Liverpool manager. La vecchia signora wants rid of her boy-toy, Ciro Ferrara, after finding he simply could not give her what she needed. A more experienced fancy man is required, a man who knows what an Old Lady wants, and she is prepared to wait until the summer to get him. Maybe a few months of being single will do her good (yes, that’s quite enough of that). Benitez is the number one choice for the role, on a long-term basis, of Juve’s numerous powerbrokers. Roberto Bettega, Alessio Secco, Jean-Claude Blanc and Lapo Elkann, the power behind the throne, are in agreement. An offer will be made. They are confident they have the financial muscle to lure him to Turin.

 

That it is Juventus is almost by-the-by. There is a good chance that, once the sun returns to these shores, both of the jobs at the San Siro will be up for grabs, and possibly Real Madrid, too, depending on the whims of Florentino Perez. Benitez will be linked to all of them. With his position at Liverpool under unprecedented scrutiny and a growing number of fans convinced a change is needed, there is every chance the Spaniard’s love of Merseyside and his desire to see through the project which he began six years ago will be superceded. The rumours have swirled for years. This time, they could come true.

 

Enough has been said on whether that is the right thing to do for Liverpool. That issue boils down, basically, to whether you happen to believe Benitez has done enough in his time at Anfield to warrant a chance to rectify his mistakes of this campaign. The majority, probably, would suggest he has. A growing minority disagree. It’s a personal choice.

 

Rather, it is perhaps time to consider what may happen to Liverpool should Benitez go, what may happen in the long, arduous search for a man to replace him and what that could mean for a club desperate for success now.

Conventional wisdom suggests Liverpool would have their pick of the litter when it comes to a new manager.

 

Fans, understandably, want a Mourinho, a Hiddink, a Lippi or a Capello. What, though, is the advertising pitch? “Famous old club seeks man to move in to bijou home for title tilt. All candidates must be able to win the Premier League on a pittance – but you can spend what you raise in sales! – and capable of adapting when, without warning, your bosses decide they need to pay down the debt they promised not to laden the club with at the expense of your transfer funds. Warning: goalposts may shift. Must have GSOH.”

 

Is that likely to tempt one of management’s A-listers? No. Aim lower. How about Roy Hodgson or Martin O’Neill, the leading domestic contenders? Possibly, but Hodgson is 63, and O’Neill would think twice about swapping one good American owner, in Randy Lerner, for Messrs Hicks and Gillett. The club has pull, yes, but the owners possess plenty of push.

 

Abroad, then. Unai Emery? Valencia would love that, and he’d cost a pretty penny. Liverpool don’t have two of them to rub together. Lower. Laurent Blanc? You’d have to see off Inter, if Jose leaves. Lower. Jorge Jesus (the Benfica manager, fact fans)? Domingos Paciencia, of Braga? Jurgen Klinsmann? That sort of level. Is that definitely a step up on Benitez? Even those who have grown to loathe him would hardly be convinced.

 

Say an ambitious young manager does take the job on. What happens on the pitch? How do they stamp their authority on the side without any money to spend (and, quite possibly, no Champions League football)? Well, you would sell off the Benitez stalwarts and the squad ballast, if possible. Dirk Kuyt, Lucas, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Philipp Degen, Damien Plessis, Albert Riera, Ryan Babel and Diego Cavalieri would bring in around £40 million or so of spending money (possibly – at Liverpool, the gap between the cushions and the sofa tends to be quite large). Javier Mascherano may choose to make his move to Barcelona. Another £30 million, though Benitez’s putative replacement would hope to persuade him to stay. Fernando Torres and Pepe Reina? Both are settled enough to allow a new man chance, and Juve, if that is to be who tempts Benitez away, can afford neither. Retaining Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher would be vital to ensure some sense of continuity.

 

Whoever the new manager was, they would retain the core of a very good team. Reina in goal, with Glen Johnson and Martin Kelly the right-backs, Carragher, Daniel Agger and/or Martin Skrtel in the centre, and the promising Emiliano Insua at left back, and maybe Fabio Aurelio. Mascherano, possibly, and Alberto Aquilani in the middle, Maxi Rodriguez on the right, Yossi Benayoun on the left, as well as the world’s best attacking midfielder and the world’s best striker. Youngsters like David Ngog, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston, David Amoo, Daniel Ayala, Peter Gulacsi and Krisztian Nemeth provide a bit of depth. Plus around £40 million to spend. Maybe. Benitez may even bequeath his successor Marouane Chamakh and Milan Jovanovic, as Gerard Houllier left him Djibril Cisse. Thanks for that, Gerard.

 

Liverpool would not be finished. But then neither would the jigsaw of ending their 20-year wait for a title. Benitez’s replacement would need a centre back, a left-back, a central midfielder or two, another winger and a striker. At least. And Hicks and Gillett, through Christian Purslow, would need to provide the new man with a staff and a salary, and possibly compensation to his old employers. All for £40 million. It wouldn’t go very far. Liverpool would be stuck with £5 million players again, when what they need are £15 million ones.

 

The same cycle of trying to build a team to challenge football’s princes from the position of pauper would begin again. And round and round and round they’d go, because Liverpool’s woes do not begin or end in the Boot Room. Yes, Benitez has his faults. Yes, a new manager may solve some of the problems the club faces, but it is not a panacea for all of Liverpool’s ills. It is in the boardroom and on the balance sheet that there must be a change for the dance to stop.

 

Rory Smith.

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Rory Smith chats wham.

 

What do you disagree with?

 

The premise seems reasonable enough to me. That whoever replaces him will also have to work with one arm tied behind their back.

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I dont like the 'we are doomed' tone.

 

I heard it all before when it was time for Houllier to go.

 

Granted its a plunge in to the unknown but i'd rather gamble than stick.

 

All this, we'd end up with Hodgson or a O'Neill is rubbish.

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I dont like the 'we are doomed' tone.

 

I heard it all before when it was time for Houllier to go.

 

Granted its a plunge in to the unknown but i'd rather gamble than stick.

 

All this, we'd end up with Hodgson or a O'Neill is rubbish.

 

The suggestion that the current owners might struggle to attract the very best seems a reasonable one. Or that they might fuck it up (cf Klinsmann)

 

The article is basically saying that changing manager probably isn't the cure-all it might initially seem to be, because of the behind the scenes turmoil at the club. I don't see how anyone can argue against that really, be they pro or anti Benitez.

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I dont like the 'we are doomed' tone.

 

I heard it all before when it was time for Houllier to go.

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I wouldn't say the situation at the club was the same back then. My general feeling now is that if we had proper owners backing the club, I would absolutely want Rafa gone based on this seasons performances. But then again, if we had proper owners, this season could have panned out differently. Fuck knows. I'm just terrified at the prospect of sacking him, as I see at as a major, major gamble. A short-term solution might bring short-term success (not hard from our current low-point) but long-term disaster.

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i think a lot of liverpool fans over the age of 30 will jump for joy at the prospect of being excited again on match day!

 

knowing our luck though,we'll probably employ someone even more negative than our last 2 managers!

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All fair points. My feeling is that another manager could do better with the same set of players, never mind with only limited funds. Thats' not to say i think Rafa is a bad manager. He's just taking us as far as he can and now cant see the wood for the trees. He wouldn't be the first decent manager that's happened to and he wont the the last.

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What do you disagree with?

 

The premise seems reasonable enough to me. That whoever replaces him will also have to work with one arm tied behind their back.

 

in terms of transfers maybe but a better coach than Rafa could get more out of our current squad

 

like perhaps not insisting on playing 2 fucking defensive mids in Masch and Lucas

 

there's plenty of 'talent' to ship out to raise additional funds anyway and the yanks had budgeted for £20m a season if we reach the knock out stages of the CL

 

i want Rafa out cos he plays shit football

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in terms of transfers maybe but a better coach than Rafa could get more out of our current squad

 

like perhaps not insisting on playing 2 fucking defensive mids in Masch and Lucas

 

there's plenty of 'talent' to ship out to raise additional funds anyway and the yanks had budgeted for £20m a season if we reach the knock out stages of the CL

 

i want Rafa out cos he plays shit football

 

I can't say that I am too surprised that you've missed the point.

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"Enough has been said on whether that is the right thing to do for Liverpool. That issue boils down, basically, to whether you happen to believe Benitez has done enough in his time at Anfield to warrant a chance to rectify his mistakes of this campaign. The majority, probably, would suggest he has. A growing minority disagree. It’s a personal choice".

 

 

I thought it was about 50/50 now with the faithful waiting until the end of the season to see if we can salvage 4th from this plane crash?

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i want Rafa out cos he plays shit football

 

No you don't. You want Rafa out because you don't think we will win the league and because we are having a shite season is proof of this. That is fair enough, however 'shit football' and phrases like that are just arbitrary nonsense and open to a multitude of diverse opinions.

 

'Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home'

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I wouldn't say the situation at the club was the same back then. My general feeling now is that if we had proper owners backing the club, I would absolutely want Rafa gone based on this seasons performances. But then again, if we had proper owners, this season could have panned out differently. Fuck knows. I'm just terrified at the prospect of sacking him, as I see at as a major, major gamble. A short-term solution might bring short-term success (not hard from our current low-point) but long-term disaster.

 

hows it a major gamble? your sounding as ultra cautious as rafa himself.it would be a bigger gamble to keep him and let him keep draining the excitement,passion and quality from the players and supporters more and more.id rather fail trying than fail doing fuck all.

 

the only good thing tom hicks snr ever said was after we played utter shithouse football against united at anfield a couple years back.

 

"we looked scared of them,we were at home and we looked scared of them"

 

hopefully that fat yankee bastard will do at least one good thing for this club and realize he should never of gave him a 5 year deal and replace him with a more attack minded manager

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I can't say that I am too surprised that you've missed the point.

 

which is?

 

Rafa is the lesser of 2 evils?

 

back Rafa so that he can out last the yanks?

 

the yanks are here until they get their pot of gold - whether we like it or not

 

Rafa's style of football is too negative and boring to ever win the premiership - so how long are you willing to out wait dumb and dumberer and be content watching shit football?

 

if the above is still missing the point then the original poster has missed the real point

 

n.b - the v.good 3 months last season was not the real Rafa - the games against Wolves and Blackburn and Portsmouth is the real Rafa

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I've been thinking who we could realistically get for a while and can't think of anyone who's a better manager than Rafa.

 

what do you mean by this?

 

who has won more trophies in the premiership? Mourinho

who plays a more attractive style of football? Hiddink

who has better man management skills? Keegan (not that i want him)

 

true we might not get either of Mourinho or Hiddink - but Rafa's negativity is just so overwhelming that it has completely stifled all creativity out of the team

 

not to mention that bar a 3-4 truly great players the team he has built is v.average

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what do you mean by this?

 

who has won more trophies in the premiership? Mourinho

who plays a more attractive style of football? Hiddink

who has better man management skills? Keegan (not that i want him)

 

true we might not get either of Mourinho or Hiddink - but Rafa's negativity is just so overwhelming that it has completely stifled all creativity out of the team

 

not to mention that bar a 3-4 truly great players the team he has built is v.average

 

See! You have just proven my point.

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Mourinho wouldn't come to have £0 transfer budget.

 

Hiddink might come if we offered him more wages than he could get anywhere else. That's if Abramovic lets him.

 

And i don't think Hiddink is as good a manager as Rafa.

 

If Rafa does go, I'd still take Hiddink though cos i reckon the owners would appoint someone a lot worse.

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No you don't. You want Rafa out because you don't think we will win the league and because we are having a shite season is proof of this. That is fair enough, however 'shit football' and phrases like that are just arbitrary nonsense and open to a multitude of diverse opinions.

 

'Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home'

 

yes - i don't believe Rafa can win the premiership

 

as his unique brand of defensive negative shit football has shown

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