Ngog's dive.

[thechap]

"Affecting" a player's run would never be a foul or a peno. I assume you use the word 'affecting', because it's not like he actually made contact with the player. It's perfectly acceptable to "affect" an opposing player's run; that's what defenders do.

 

Ngog literally dived. He threw himself to the ground. Not the Liverpool way.

 

It's such a shame really, as he seems such an honest player.

 

We shouldn't gloss over it, as the means are not the answer to our 'crisis' - fair football is.

 

You're spot on there. If that was a penalty tonight then any time a defender uses his body strength, then that's a penalty as well because he's affecting the striker from walking past him!

 

I just can't fathom how anyone can say that's a penalty. Just because you mistime a tackle doesn't mean it's a foul. Your tackle can be so badly timed that it misses both, and that's what happened tonight.

 

Anyone who says that Carsley impeded him so therefore it must be a penalty must want to see a different football to the one that's been played for well over 100 years.

 

If that was a penaly then every time someone makes a tackle anywhere on the park but doesn't get the ball then it has to be a foul, whether there was contact with the player or not. Any tackle at all will cause the opposing player to have to change their run in some way because there is a form of impeding by vitue of a tackle of any kind having been made. What about simply running at an opposing player or standing in front of them to block their way to stop them making a run? The opposing player has to run around you if they want to get by. You have impeded their run. Does that make it a foul?

 

Carsley did not get the ball but in no way at all did he foul or illegally impeded Ngog. It was not a foul and it was not a penalty.

 

It realy does show how we have lost our class when so many of our fans are supporting the dive or even claiming it WAS a penalty. And that's not me berating Ngog - it's just me shaking my head at how blinkered some of our fans are.

 

We'll revisit this thread next time an opposing player gets a penalty awarded for them against us by cheating.

[The Chef]

I think it's a bit harsh for Ngog to be put in the same diving box as Drogba and Ronaldo, them two cunts have made diving into an art form. Ngog is young, I'm sure the management will have a quiet word with him and next time he'll leave his foot in.

 

Too many fucking drama queens on here.

 

And too many manc's in disguise on here also.......

 

GOTTA STICK TOGETHER..............END OF. YNWA

[The Chef]

Anyone who says that Carsley impeded him so therefore it must be a penalty must want to see a different football to the one that's been played for well over 100 years.

 

If that was a penaly then every time someone makes a tackle anywhere on the park but doesn't get the ball then it has to be a foul, whether there was contact with the player or not. Any tackle at all will cause the opposing player to have to change their run in some way because there is a form of impeding by vitue of a tackle of any kind having been made. What about simply running at an opposing player or standing in front of them to block their way to stop them making a run? The opposing player has to run around you if they want to get by. You have impeded their run. Does that make it a foul?

 

Carsley did not get the ball but in no way at all did he foul or illegally impeded Ngog. It was not a foul and it was not a penalty.

 

It realy does show how we have lost our class when so many of our fans are supporting the dive or even claiming it WAS a penalty. And that's not me berating Ngog - it's just me shaking my head at how blinkered some of our fans are.

 

We'll revisit this thread next time an opposing player gets a penalty awarded for them against us by cheating.

 

MANC

[Redder Lurtz]

What comes around goes around. How many times have we been fucked over by refs or by some diving twat at old toilet or chavtown?

 

Not pleased he dived and hope he doesn't do it again but fuck it; I'll take the point thank you.

[ZonkoVille77]

He's young, he'll learn. If he starts to make a career out of it, a la Ronaldo and Drogba, then we can have a right go at him.

 

I seem to remember our captain diving on a few occasions....

 

All I can say is thank fuck he did get the peno. A point is a point is a point etc..

[jackofdk]

I think it's a bit harsh for Ngog to be put in the same diving box as Drogba and Ronaldo, them two cunts have made diving into an art form. Ngog is young, I'm sure the management will have a quiet word with him and next time he'll leave his foot in.

 

Too many fucking drama queens on here.

 

Is right. Repped.

[swanseared]

To quote a letter written in on another football website this morning...

 

"I don't care if we have to stab a baby to get a goal at the moment"

[thechap]

MANC

 

Great contribution. Knob.

[Count Morfeo]

In the undead's opinion it was a penalty as he had to take evasive action from a clumsy tackle, which the rules also state is a penalty.

[JohnnyH]

In the undead's opinion it was a penalty as he had to take evasive action from a clumsy tackle, which the rules also state is a penalty.

 

It's taken the undead to confirm the truth. The bloodsucker knows.

[Carlos Durninio]

MANC

 

Nailed on.

[Thants]

It shouldn't be a penalty in my eyes but it was in the rules of the game. Mistimed tackle putting your self between the ball and the player in the box. Bloody stupid challenge.

[thechap]

Nailed on.

 

How's that then?

[Xherdan]

Agreed re: stabbing babies for goals. Show me the baby.

[The Chef]

Great contribution. Knob.

 

Your either with us or against us, there aint no in betwween . As valid as your point maybe, now is the time for union, support and togetherness( no matter wot the situation is) and you , my friend , are sleeping with the enemy.

[The Chef]

To quote a letter written in on another football website this morning...

 

"I don't care if we have to stab a baby to get a goal at the moment"

 

Admire your fanatical dedication........ but your method is somewhat...........Ah fuck if, maybe a slight flesh-wound then.

[.net]

Er wasnt Gerrards against Villa similar on Reo Coker earlier in the season?

[The Chef]

Er wasnt Gerrards against Villa similar on Reo Coker earlier in the season?

 

No

[thechap]

Your either with us or against us, there aint no in betwween.

 

What complete fucking balderdash. Who is 'us' exactly?

 

 

 

As valid as your point maybe, now is the time for union, support and togetherness( no matter wot the situation is) and you , my friend , are sleeping with the enemy.

 

 

So it was a dive, it was shithouse and diving is shithouse?

[straight_red]

I never welcome diving, even when it wins us a point. It's become a huge part of the modern game the part every fan hates to see when it goes against their team. Dismissing its significance when it goes your way just encourages it more. Sod's Law suggests we're gonna get some blatantly awful dive go against us in the next 2/3 games, and then we'll go back to hating it in all its forms.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I'll tell you what, if it was against us I would be going fucking mental.

 

Also all the papers and that nonce Carsley can fuck right off. Carsley, I would be embarrassed to step outside the front door of my home every day if I was you, you ugly get.

[The Chef]

What complete fucking balderdash. Who is 'us' exactly?

 

'Us' is the so-called class-less fans willin to accept the modern game as it is, whether its 'for ' or 'against' cause we've fuck all choice in the matter.

 

 

 

 

So it was a dive, it was shithouse and diving is shithouse?

 

Its all in the game so get the fuck down off your high horse and accept it.

All 'luck' or dodgy decisions greatly accepted.

[t1971]

Cant believe he is being compared to Drogba. Did you see him roll around like he had been shot. Drogba once dived to get a game stopped, realised that he had dived off the pitch so the game wouldnt be stopped, got back up, walked onto the pitch and dived to the ground again to get the game stopped. Ngog dived, but there was a challenge in between him and the ball so he went down. Comparisons with Drogba are ridiculous.

[torahboy]

Had a sleep, got a clear head and have just watched the incident again and I am still of the opinion that Leak Arsley is a baldy, bluenosed, bitter twat.

[PaulMcC]

He should kept running snd he would've hit Carsley's leg.

 

Like Bent did on Saturday and everyone agreed that was a penalty.