Noel Gallagher quits Oasis

[AngryOfTuebrook]

18 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

You've raised an interesting point actually, not about Curtis but the right wing musicians thing, I’d not thought of it before but you can add Ferry to the list, also although I’m not a fan Clapton and Gary Numan are two others, also wasn’t/isn’t Dylan a supporter of the state of Israel, you would have to think so given the lyrics to Neighbourhood bully and also his reluctance to do Live Aid and his insistence of making it in part about the plight of American farmers, might be totally wrong on this one but wasn’t there also some suggestion Neil Young was right leaning, could be talking out of my hoop on that one like but without googling I seem to remember something.

The Neil Young thing stems from some snarky remarks he made in one interview in the 1980s. He's since gone on to lend support to  - and make music about - plenty of social justice, anti-war and environmental campaigns. 

 

Dylan's politics, like his music, have wavered all over the place for 55 years. Any time any group is ready to claim him as one of their own, he flies off in the opposite direction. 

 

Clapton had a public racist rant at the height of his alcoholism in the 70s (which famously prompted the formation of Rock Against Racism). He completely repudiates and regrets that now.

 

For the most part, I'm happy to separate the person from their music*. Some talented people are twats and some really lovely people make bland and awful music.

 

(*I admit that might not always be as straightforward as that: for example, I've always thought that Neighbourhood Bully and Union Sundown were the worst tracks on Infidels: consciously because they have the least subtle lyrics and crap tunes; at a subconscious level, probably because I think they are politically shit.)

[cloggypop]

And again for the hard of thinking

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/noel-gallagher-f-jeremy-corbyn-hes-a-communist/

[Rico1304]

14 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Look, if you're to the left of May you're a commie, to the right of Corbyn a Tory. If that polarising view isn't carpet bombed across the internet ad nauseum we'll never reach peak voter apathy.

 

You Tory cunt.

I preferred Tory can’t. 

 

But your edit edit is correct. 

[Captain Howdy]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The Neil Young thing stems from some snarky remarks he made in one interview in the 1980s. He's since gone on to lend support to  - and make music about - plenty of social justice, anti-war and environmental campaigns. 

 

Dylan's politics, like his music, have wavered all over the place for 55 years. Any time any group is ready to claim him as one of their own, he flies off in the opposite direction. 

 

Clapton had a public racist rant at the height of his alcoholism in the 70s (which famously prompted the formation of Rock Against Racism). He completely repudiates and regrets that now.

 

For the most part, I'm happy to separate the person from their music*. Some talented people are twats and some really lovely people make bland and awful music.

 

(*I admit that might not always be as straightforward as that: for example, I've always thought that Neighbourhood Bully and Union Sundown were the worst tracks on Infidels: consciously because they have the least subtle lyrics and crap tunes; at a subconscious level, probably because I think they are politically shit.)

Good reply thanks for taking the time,  I couldn’t remember the Neil Young thing I just remember that there was something, I didn’t know it was that long ago,  with regard to Clapton I’m sure he did regret what was the most appalling rant but you would have to suggest that that came from somewhere, alcoholic or no.

Dylan, yeah, I agree, very hard to figure out where he’s coming from , also Nick Cave has massively upset the left by playing Israel but with that said if there’s one man who could not give a single fuck what anybody thinks it’s probably Nick Cave. Queen as well now I think about it.

I just think the point Cloggy made was suspect, in fact I think it’s wrong.

[cloggypop]

Captain Howdy listens to Phil Collins and Gary Numan. 

[Captain Howdy]

Just now, cloggypop said:

Captain Howdy listens to Phil Collins and Gary Numan. 

Aww man who doesn’t? Ha I didn’t even bother listing Collins such is my, let’s call it indifference to his music, as for Numan I think he’s shite but he gets a mention for writing one of the greatest songs of all time.

[lifetime fan]

I like Oasis and NG. 

 

I like Corbyn, he isn’t a commie he’s a socialist.

 

The fact the majority of people in the press and media can’t tell the difference or deliberately chose to conflate the two is the problem. 

[Jairzinho]

They can tell the difference, they just want to ensure the public can't.

[Mook]

2 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

You've raised an interesting point actually, not about Curtis but the right wing musicians thing, I’d not thought of it before but you can add Ferry to the list, also although I’m not a fan Clapton and Gary Numan are two others, also wasn’t/isn’t Dylan a supporter of the state of Israel, you would have to think so given the lyrics to Neighbourhood bully and also his reluctance to do Live Aid and his insistence of making it in part about the plight of American farmers, might be totally wrong on this one but wasn’t there also some suggestion Neil Young was right leaning, could be talking out of my hoop on that one like but without googling I seem to remember something.

It's a load of bollocks, plenty of right wingers & tories have made amazing music. A person's politics has zero bearing on their talent as a musician.

[Captain Howdy]

1 minute ago, Mook said:

It's a load of bollocks, plenty of right wingers & tories have made amazing music. A person's politics has zero bearing on their talent as a musician.

Yeah I probably could have just said that instead of going round the houses, it killed some time anyway

[cloggypop]

3 minutes ago, Mook said:

It's a load of bollocks, plenty of right wingers & tories have made amazing music. A person's politics has zero bearing on their talent as a musician.

Phil Collins is your favourite drummer. 

[Mook]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

Phil Collins is your favourite drummer. 

Phil Collins is an absolutely phenomenal drummer, nowhere near my favourite though.

 

 

[cloggypop]

I've only just noticed Captain Howdy's avatar. Velvet Underground live 1969. A fantastic album, What Goes On being possibly the highlight for me. It is a very strange choice for an avatar however as it also has one of the worst album art sleeves ever. I'm not sure if there's a worse pairing of terrible cover / fantastic music within. 

 

I'm unsure whether I should rep or neg it but luckily for me Dave removed the option. 

[Captain Howdy]

8 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

I've only just noticed Captain Howdy's avatar. Velvet Underground live 1969. A fantastic album, What Goes On being possibly the highlight for me. It is a very strange choice for an avatar however as it also has one of the worst album art sleeves ever. I'm not sure if there's a worse pairing of terrible cover / fantastic music within. 

 

I'm unsure whether I should rep or neg it but luckily for me Dave removed the option. 

I absolutely love that album, I honestly listened to it constantly for about 3 years in my early twenties, like you say What goes on is just sublime, also Heroin, New Age,  Lisa says, pale blue eyes, just a great, great album.

[cloggypop]

1 minute ago, Captain Howdy said:

I absolutely love that album, I honestly listened to it constantly for about 3 years in my early twenties, like you say What goes on is just sublime, also Heroin, New Age,  Lisa says, pale blue eyes, just a great, great album.

I nearly didn't buy it because of the cover. 

[Captain Howdy]

Just now, cloggypop said:

I nearly didn't buy it because of the cover. 

Really? I’m not that big on artwork tbh

[cloggypop]

5 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Really? I’m not that big on artwork tbh

Yeah. It just looks so far away from the aesthetics of the other albums that I assumed it was going to be a shitty record company cash in. It's fucking great though. 

[Captain Howdy]

Are you a fan of the loaded cover?

[Captain Howdy]

Like I say I’m not that big on artwork but I always thought Bowie’s Lodger album had a great cover. probably my favourite, that and  Loves forever changes, both great albums as well.

[cloggypop]

27 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Are you a fan of the loaded cover?

No. That's a bit shit as well. Not a great album either though Sweet Jane is on it so it has to be bought. 

[cloggypop]

Forever Changes is quite possibly the best album of all time. 

[Captain Howdy]

Just now, cloggypop said:

No. That's a bit shit as well. Not a great album either though Sweet Jane is on it so it has to be bought. 

And the sublime New Age

[El Rojo]

Noel Gallagher likes to talk politics with Jeremy Clarkson when they’re out buying jeans in Marks and Spencers. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

There's fuck all wrong with a bit of Phil Collins though.

[cloggypop]

Which bit?