Murdoch's Scum Credentials All In Order I See

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Hunt is going to refer it to the Comps Commission.

[lifetime fan]

Why the fuckery would they want them? Inconceivable twats.

 

To get into the head of a cunt you have to think like a cunt.

 

That information would give them access to a massive 'weakness' in Brown.

[dennis tooth]

No.

 

It's because there is a vast number of people in this country that are racist, xenophobic, ignorant, horrible cunts that couldn't give a shit about anyone else if their income tax drops by a penny.

 

Cant agree mate, they are just falling for the elites propaganda in trying to make sense of it and its such as easy conclusion to make when you have 'news papers' as they are called peddling these myths day after day so we dont turn on the bankers and elites who run the shit including said newspapers. In a real democracy people would have it shoved in their faces for what it is instead we have powers whose direct interest is to confuse and cajole the public or pull on the heartstrings and massive PR campaigns with millions behind them to get them to fall for such myths. Yes its hard to pity these people but its not about pity, pity never solved anything, these are people looking for answers, they have drawn the wrong conclusion because of distorted info.

[lifetime fan]

Hunt is going to refer it to the Comps Commission.

 

Any excuse.

 

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[PestiRed]

Hunt is going to refer it to the Comps Commission.

 

But he didn't even make that decision himself. Murdoch made it for him by withdrawing the Sky News spin-off in order to prevent a decision being made whilst the public outcry is still high. Cameron & Hunt have been a disgrace on this

[Gym Beglin]

I was just about to post that. If it's true, and he knew about it as it was happening, why the fuck didn't he come forward? Why the fuck did MI5 allow such a thing to happen to the PM. Fucking shambles, this is.

 

 

Because it saves MI5 having to set the equipment up themselves?

Come on, if the tabloids are tapping everyone's phones then let's just safely assume that we're all being listened to, all the time, everywhere.

Between MI5, Interpol, CIA, FBI, Dept of Homeland Security, ASDA, we're never alone on the phone, on an email, or on a forum.

 

In a way, the PM SHOULD be wired, that's almost quite understandable.

 

And perhaps I've already agreed to be recorded, I never read my mobile phone contracts from cover to cover, maybe it asked me and I just signed it anyway.

 

HUMANCENTIPAD grounds I reckon.

 

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

But he didn't even make that decision himself. Murdoch made it for him by withdrawing the Sky News spin-off in order to prevent a decision being made whilst the public outcry is still high. Cameron & Hunt have been a disgrace on this

 

Oh, I agree they've been shitheads.

 

Labour have just smacked them in the commons, quite hard.

[lifetime fan]

Cant agree mate, they are just falling for the elites propaganda in trying to make sense of it and its such as easy conclusion to make when you have 'news papers' as they are called peddling these myths day after day so we dont turn on the bankers and elites who run the shit including said newspapers. In a real democracy people would have it shoved in their faces for what it is instead we have powers whose direct interest is to confuse and cajole the public or pull on the heartstrings and massive PR campaigns with millions behind them to get them to fall for such myths. Yes its hard to pity these people but its not about pity, pity never solved anything, these are people looking for answers, they have drawn the wrong conclusion because of distorted info.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Sugar Ape]

Any excuse.

 

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Fixed that for you mate!

[Section_31]

I was just about to post that. If it's true, and he knew about it as it was happening, why the fuck didn't he come forward? Why the fuck did MI5 allow such a thing to happen to the PM. Fucking shambles, this is.

 

I remember reading a feature on Brown by Peter Osborne of the Daily Mail no less, shortly after he came to power, saying how he'd tried to return 'seriousness' to No.10, and how, for example, he'd fucked off having weekly meetings with the editor of the NOTW (Wade) and started hosting dinners for academics instead. That didn't last long of course and soon he was attending her wedding, not long after the media decided to unleash a shitstorm of personal abuse on the man trying to make him look like a cock at any possible opportunity.

 

I've said loads of times, Labour lost the election because people didn't like Brown, and people didn't like Brown because the media didn't like him (it was like watching a decent comedian being heckled, whether you were amused by his jokes or not, sooner or later you felt yourself sliding down the chair and wanting him off). You have to wonder why that was.

[clangers]

Why the fuckery would they want them? Inconceivable twats.

 

Because anything that sells papers is allowed apparently? No surprise this, I found it quite difficult to believe that this was limited to just one of News Internationals papers. They are after all edited in the same building, sharing the same staff.

 

I wonder who was the editor at the time of the sun accessing details of Browns child?

 

Personally I'd suggest this has to be the end of NI and Murdoch in the UK full stop.

[dennis tooth]

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The rise and fall of a global media baron?

As News of the World newspaper shuts down, analysts speculate on the future of its billionaire owner, Rupert Murdoch.

 

When the last issue of News of the World newspaper went to press on Sunday, media analysts were left to wonder if the demise of Britain's most popular tabloid marks the beginning of the end for its billionaire owner or just a bump in the road to full spectrum global media dominance.

 

Known for reporting lurid details of sex scandals faced by footballers and politicians, the 168-year-old paper stopped the presses over a phone hacking scandal, drawing ire from the police and political elites who once sought favour from its owner, Rupert Murdoch CEO of News Corporation, one of the world's largest news conglomerates.

 

"In global reach, there are no comparable figures to Murdoch," said Ivor Gaber, a professor of Political Journalism at City University London. "He has a reach in US, UK, Australia and even China. He is a press baron like none other in the world. In terms of his domination of the media in the UK, there is no comparison," Gaber told Al Jazeera.

 

In the UK alone, Murdoch media properties include several leading newspapers including establishment paper The Times and The Sunday Times, The Sun, a tabloid, along with a major stake in Sky News, a TV station.

David Cameron, the British prime minister, was close with the mogul. Andy Coulson who was recently arrested in connection with phone hacking allegations, was Cameron's former spokesman, and the editor of News of the World in 2007.

 

"The truth is, we have all been in this together -- the press, politicians and leaders of all parties -- and yes, that includes me," Cameron told reporters on Friday. He promised that "the music has stopped" on cozy relationships between the country’s media and the political elite, slamming "some illegal and utterly unacceptable practices at the News of the World and possibly elsewhere".

 

News business

 

The "practices" include allegations that reporters hacked into cellphone message systems belonging to families of UK soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and the voice mail box of a murdered teenaged girl, possibly erasing messages and compromising criminal investigations.

 

There are also allegations that staff from the News of the World bribed police officers so they could continue with illegal activities in pursuit of readers. The UK government has promised a commission of inquiry into activities at the paper.

News of the World had been the UK's most popular paper[GALLO/GETTY]

 

"This is the biggest media story I can remember in 30 years of journalism," said Marie Kinsey, a journalism lecturer at the University of Sheffield. "The phone hacking has shocked a lot of people; it is not common practice."

 

Murdoch, an Australian-born conservative who used his papers as cheerleading vehicles for the invasion of Iraq, "has been allowed to get dominant influence [in UK politics] and there is no doubt he has used his newspapers to get political leverage," said Richard Tait, director of the centre for journalism at Cardiff University.

 

In 1989, Murdoch told an audience in the UK: "Much of what passes for quality on British television is no more than a reflection of the values of the narrow elite which controls it."

 

The problem of media concentration, and politically biased news, is by no means unique to the UK. Among its media holdings, News Corporation - with a market capitalisation of around $46bn - owns some 175 newspapers, Fox TV station, 20th Century Fox films in the US, Harper Collins publishing and television interests in China, Italy, Australia and beyond.

 

But unlike profitable TV stations or movie production companies, several of Murdoch's papers lost money. The media baron spent $5.6bn to buy Dow Jones, publisher of the Wall Street Journal, in 2007 just before the newspaper industry went into economic free-fall. After paying a roughly 65 per cent premium for the prized publishing brand, News Corp wrote down about half the value of the deal in 2009.

 

US interests

 

News Corp doesn't have the same information dominance in the US media market that it maintains in the UK. Yet Fox News, owned by Murdoch's firm, has spurred the rise of the Republican right, supporting first George W Bush's war in Iraq and now the conservative Tea Party movement.

 

"Fox news couldn't exist in the UK broadcast media, because television output is regulated by legislation," Kinsey told Al Jazeera, adding that UK newspapers don’t face similar forms of regulation. "By law, a broadcaster has to be fair and that isn’t the case in the US, where a politically slanted channel can broadcast."

 

Legislation aside, the business deals underpinning Fox's brand often seem at odds with Murdoch's political slant. Like many of his media interests, the tycoon personally supports Western military interventions, Israel's occupation of Palestine and free-market economic doctrine. Kingdom Holding Company, a firm controlled by Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud from Saudi Arabia's ruling dynasty, is the second biggest shareholder in News Corp, behind Murdoch’s family.

 

The two biggest shareholders in the media empire often have contrasting views, on politics and international relations, particularly on questions over Islam, Iraq and Israel.

 

"Murdoch is fundamentally a businessman, but he can't stop from being involved in politics," Gaber said. "He has allowed his politics to influence his business. He is certainly no left-winger; he runs the Sunday Times because he likes the influence the paper gives him."

Rupert Murdoch is considered one of the world's most powerful media owners [EPA]

 

The decision to close the UK's most popular paper with a weekly circulation of 2.67 million is likely linked to Murdoch's more lucrative TV interests.

 

As newspaper circulations decline around the western world, facing competition from internet media and other problems, TV stations have become more profitable and politically important. Prior to the scandal, Murdoch’s company had launched a $14bn bid for the remaining 61 per cent of pay-TV operator BSkyB that News Corp does not already own.

 

In order to take complete control of the station, News Corp's directors need to prove to regulators that they are "fit and proper" persons to run the network.

 

"There is no possibility any government could approach the public to say 'Mr Murdoch should own more TV stations and newspapers," Tait told Al Jazeera, in reference to alleged criminality affecting dead soldiers and murdered women. "It is just not going to happen." The government has received more than 135,000 public complaints against the BSkyB deal.

 

Journalists pay the price

 

Many of the 200 journalists who will lose their jobs on less than a week's notice had no part in the alleged phone hacking scandal. But Rebekah Brookes, chief executive of News International, who was responsible for News of the World when the alleged illegal acts took place, has not been given a pink slip, perhaps due to her personal closeness with Murdoch.

 

"The tragedy, in some ways, is that 200 journalists at News of the World, who had nothing to do with these alleged practices, have lost their jobs," Kinsey said.

 

The scandal has become a major story in the UK, linking politicians, media barons and the police in a shady web of phone hacking, cronyism and information control. The future is uncertain for one of the world's biggest news conglomerates and its larger than life owner.

 

Critics of Murdoch, and elite ownership of the press in general, allege that bosses tell journalists what to write and politicians how to act, if they want favorable coverage. That view isn’t quite accurate, Gaber said. "He doesn't need to be a conspirator, he isn't on the phone telling his editors what to do; they know what to do. He didn’t need to tell Tony Blair or David Cameron what to do. They knew he was against [the UK] using the Euro currency. They knew he was in favour of Israel and the Iraq war."

 

It is impossible, and unreasonable, to directly link the execution of these policies to Murdoch himself. Perhaps he was just one voice, helping to create international policy. Or maybe he is a man who just knows how to pick a winner.

 

Even so, like News Corp's stock price which dropped more than four per cent on Friday, Murdoch's star seems to be falling, fast.

[Strontium]

Interesting that it's not just the NOTW, but also the Sun and Sunday Times which have been implicated in the Brown hacking affair. Evidently this is a disease that infects News International as a whole. Certainly appears to vindicate those of us who have argued against NI all along.

[dennis tooth]

Oh, I agree they've been shitheads.

 

Labour have just smacked them in the commons, quite hard.

 

Have they called for Murdochs arrest warrant yet?

 

No, well theres a surprise.

[PestiRed]

Oh, I agree they've been shitheads.

 

Labour have just smacked them in the commons, quite hard.

 

Yep, that's the best I've ever seen Miliband perform.

 

The Lib Dems must be gutted. The most blameless party in this whole mess and all the fun has been taken away from them because Clegg sold his soul to Cameron

[Gym Beglin]

Whoever said it before had it right, Murdoch is holding Rebekah back as his trump card, and he'll throw her to the lions as the scandal reaches it's zenith.

At which point, everyone will fixate on her and Murdoch will set up some sort of charity fund, and then he'll vanish for 6 months. By which time the tabloids will be more bothered about showing us pixelated pictures of the gash of the latest X Factor winner.

 

What will be the peak of outrage with all this though?

 

9/11 seems about right, the yanks will tear this shit up like a wet tissue, and Obama will turn his back on Cameron for knowing about it and employing Coulson. If we're such a massive security leak, then we just cannot be trusted to sit at the same table as America, we're a fucking liability. Coulson? Inside Downing Street? Beggars belief, we may as well have Skype'd secret cabinet meetings to terrorists.

[dennis tooth]

Ed M drops bomb: ‘call off BSkyB bid’ | Liberal Conspiracy

 

Not really a bomb, he is trying to preserve the apparent 'integrity' of the media's hold over the public mind nothing more. That much is clear, he is not trying to usher in a new age of democracy he is just seeking damage limitation same as Cameron except he has less to lose and more willing to go very slightly further as the main goal is to put a halt through this public routing through the power centres. This is the man who sat with his pr team the other day colluding with the media to pull the wool over the publics eyes with repeating soundbites and a man who is chasing Murdochs affections, he has gone no further than NI themselves. The game is up, this man is still running out asking us to continue to play.

[Section_31]

Not really a bomb, he is trying to preserve the apparent 'integrity' of the media's hold over the public mind nothing more. That much is clear, he is not trying to usher in a new age of democracy he is just seeking damage limitation same as Cameron except he has less to lose and more willing to go very slightly further as the main goal is to put a halt through this public routing through the power centres. This is the man who sat with his pr team the other day colluding with the media to pull the wool over the publics eyes with repeating soundbites and a man who is chasing Murdochs affections, he has gone no further than NI themselves. The game is up, this man is still running out asking us to continue to play.

 

Miliband's a bad bellend, end of. He's got nothing to lose by sticking the boot in because News International hate modern Labour anyway, it's like Obama laying into Fox News - nothing new.

 

What is pissing me off is the fact he's trying to expand it to 'the media' in general. This coming from a man who has three fixers with him on interviews, people who insist that cameramen include over the shoulder shots of his family photographs in their shots.

 

The last thing this country needs is a political class that's allowed to vilify and neutralise the press. But then, maybe Miliband is just following the old saying "No man should leave in the universe anything of which he is afraid".

[lifetime fan]

Interesting that it's not just the NOTW, but also the Sun and Sunday Times which have been implicated in the Brown hacking affair. Evidently this is a disease that infects News International as a whole. Certainly appears to vindicate those of us who have argued against NI all along.

 

You can't seriously think this is just limited to the NI press?

 

I'd agree they were probably the worst but to think the Mirror, Star, Mail and Express at least were not also up to this is very naive.

 

EDIT: Re-read your post, yes I agree the whole of his corporation have been up to this but so too have many others.

[Anubis]

Murdoch's a crafty cunt though. If he'd binned Wade last week, or even now, people would just smell weakness and go after him and his son. The longer he keeps Wade in post and fights for her, the more of an achievement it'll seem to everyone when he does deliver her head. The more of an 'event' that seems when it comes, the more it will draw a line under the whole affair.

 

I think his stratedgy is becoming clear today.

 

He's desperate to save the BSkyB bid. He's keeping Brooks because at the moment, there is no conclusive evidence that she actually knew what was going on. This is very important for his long game.

 

By withdrawing the undertakings he gave Jeremy Hunt, and inviting a referral to the Competition Commission, he's drawing it out. It'll cause him financial pain for a good 6 months to 1 year (which he can live with given the astronomical long term gains), but he's hoping that by the end of it no shit has stuck to Brooks or James Murdoch, and that by axing the NotW he can get a recommendation that he's taken steps to ensure News International has dealt with it's dirt, and will be considered fit and proper.

 

However, the wheels may be about to come off with the breaking news that somebody from The Sunday Times blagged details of the Browns' account from th Abbey National, and the allegation that Brooks telephoned Brown to tell him that The Sun knew about his son's cystic fibrosis. It would depend on how that information was gained. But if the scandal starts to infect other titles, then he has problems on his hands.

[Section_31]

I think his stratedgy is becoming clear today.

 

He's desperate to save the BSkyB bid. He's keeping Brooks because at the moment, there is no conclusive evidence that she actually knew what was going on. This is very important for his long game.

 

By withdrawing the undertakings he gave Jeremy Hunt, and inviting a referral to the Competition Commission, he's drawing it out. It'll cause him financial pain for a good 6 months to 1 year (which he can live with given the astronomical long term gains), but he's hoping that by the end of it no shit has stuck to Brooks or James Murdoch, and that by axing the NotW he can get a recommendation that he's taken steps to ensure News International has dealt with it's dirt, and will be considered fit and proper.

 

However, the wheels may be about to come off with the breaking news that somebody from The Sunday Times blagged details of the Browns' account from th Abbey National, and the allegation that Brooks telephoned Brown to tell him that The Sun knew about his son's cystic fibrosis. It would depend on how that information was gained. But if the scandal starts to infect other titles, then he has problems on his hands.

 

He's deffo playing the long game, which is strange given that he's 80, he should be down the golf course.

 

It's obvious he sees no future in newspapers and that the likes of Sky are the future of his organisation, so cutting the NOTW from his company's apron strings was no big deal for him at all really.

 

Apparently his son is even more dead set against newspapers what with him being from a different generation to fucknuts.

[PestiRed]

Was reading that the ideal strategy would be to dump NI as a whole. He makes very little from the British papers and now that they are unlikely to hold much political influence for him then he may as well let go.

 

His problem is that where the hell would he find a buyer now? The other alternative could be to close all the titles but I find it difficult to believe that even he would have the balls for that

[Strontium]

You can't seriously think this is just limited to the NI press?

 

 

Not at all, indeed I remember copping some flak on here for pointing out that NI actually had fewer such infractions recorded against them than other news organisations. But News international has always had a whiff of evil that the other papers didn't come close to. And I am also probably still a little bitter about the flak I got on this forum for referring to the Times as an upmarket Sun.

[Anubis]

You've got to give him is due. He may be an octogenarian, but he's a sharp fucker. In an Ernst Stavro Bloefeld kind of way, that is.

[lifetime fan]

Miliband's a bad bellend, end of. He's got nothing to lose by sticking the boot in because News International hate modern Labour anyway, it's like Obama laying into Fox News - nothing new.

 

What is pissing me off is the fact he's trying to expand it to 'the media' in general. This coming from a man who has three fixers with him on interviews, people who insist that cameramen include over the shoulder shots of his family photographs in their shots.

 

The last thing this country needs is a political class that's allowed to vilify and neutralise the press. But then, maybe Miliband is just following the old saying "No man should leave in the universe anything of which he is afraid".

 

Unless I've not seen something you have mate then I'm really struggling to understand why you would think this.

 

Ed has said he still wants the press to be self regulatory, hardly a control freak measure.