The Conflict in Afghanistan

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Because large parts are functional and beneficial to the west.

Fair enough. 

 

[Bjornebye]

47 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I think it was pretty well documented that Al Qaida was integrated with the Taliban by the time the Americans launched the air strikes, Al Qaida carried out suicide bombings against high profile Afghan warlords that opposed or didn't play ball with the Taliban. It was not just about Bin Laden.

 

The Taliban must have considerable popular support on the ground, otherwise they wouldn't have survived all past defeats and lasted for over 25 years. Also, people tend to forget that most of rural Afghanistan probably lived the same (conservative) way for decades or centuries, regardless of who is in power in Kabul, royalists, leftists, Communists, Mujahideen, Taliban, Western-sponsord post-Taliban nation builders. So not much change outside Kabul and the handful of bigger cities

 

Most of that is spot on but I repeat, the Taliban were not responsible for 9/11. 

[Captain Turdseye]

Guardian piece from Pakistan. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/24/pakistan-taliban-us-retreat?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[ManéMan]

 

 

 

 

[Arniepie]

13 minutes ago, ManéMan said:

 

 

 

 

Excellent watch that.

Didnt realise the Afghan army were not answerable to anyone and carried out atrocities on their own.

Also nails a few of the myths on here that the invasion was in any way a success and the stuff about womens right.

[Rico1304]

10 hours ago, Arniepie said:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/uk-says-taliban-cooperating-with-british-forces-in-evacuation/2339144

 

As I.said yesterday.. its how long this fragile agreement holds and what happens afterwards ,is key.

A day. They’ve stopped letting people leave now.  Who could see that coming? 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

A day. They’ve stopped letting people leave now.  Who could see that coming? 

Have they? 

[sir roger]

4 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I’m currently working in villages where Shria law was enacted for three decades, before a popular revolution, news of which hasn’t fully hit the villages yet, it’s going to take a long  time for those ghosts to disappear. 

Are you in Wiltshire , Bruce ?

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

A day. They’ve stopped letting people leave now.  Who could see that coming? 

Every single news outlet has reported they were cooperating. 

On the news today it said they were working with the army and stopping people who didnt have the necessary paper work.

So your assertion that they were not cooperating is patently untrue

I'm presuming you have a link for this latest development?. 

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Every single news outlet has reported they were cooperating. 

On the news today it said they were working with the army and stopping people who didnt have the necessary paper work.

So your assertion that they were not cooperating is patently untrue

I'm presuming you have a link for this latest development?. 

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1430164124672135182?s=21

[Bjornebye]

The cheeky bastards are calling for engineers etc to stop leaving the country. 

[Arniepie]

It's quite ironic looking back that those most opposed to Blair's wars were the likes of Tony Benn and Corbyn, who have been proved to be right,whilst the Tories were all for them.

[Arniepie]

12 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1430164124672135182?s=21

I'm presuming you didnt see you words..beyond the 31st of August?

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

It's quite ironic looking back that those most opposed to Blair's wars were the likes of Tony Benn and Corbyn, who have been proved to be right,whilst the Tories were all for them.

It’s still all Labour and the lefts fault mate

[Arniepie]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

It’s still all Labour and the lefts fault mate

I Blame corbyn personally.

[dockers_strike]

13 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I'm presuming you didnt see you words..beyond the 31st of August?

Fuck me, you're putting a badge of honour on and defending this bunch of murdering bastards?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

9 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I'm presuming you didnt see you words..beyond the 31st of August?

It's a bit of both, to be fair. 

 

Earlier, the Taliban spokesman appeared to advise people to stay away from the airport as they couldn't guarantee their safety due to crowd control/stampedes etc. 

 

But, it looks like they have closed the roads approaching the airport now and will only let foreign nationals through but are blocking Afghan nationals from accessing the airport. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/24/un-receives-reports-of-serious-human-rights-violations-in-afghanistan

[Rico1304]

14 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I'm presuming you didnt see you words..beyond the 31st of August?

They are letting foreign nationals leave until 31st. Afghans are being stopped now.  

[Rico1304]

https://twitter.com/robert_weiter/status/1430268391575670784?s=21

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Fuck me, you're putting a badge of honour on and defending this bunch of murdering bastards?

Is pointing out what's actually happening them ,defending them?

The bbc are reporting the Americans are confident anyone with a pass is getting through.

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

https://twitter.com/robert_weiter/status/1430268391575670784?s=21

Tweet unavailable 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-58279900?at_custom1=[post+type]&at_custom4=6970A3C2-04E1-11EC-8DE7-46CABDCD475E&at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7

 

21.20 update  Americans are confident that Afghan nationals are being allowed to the air base and considering the us envoy met them yesterday..

[Rico1304]

Just now, Arniepie said:

Is pointing out what's actually happening them ,defending them?

The bbc are reporting the Americans are confident anyone with a pass is getting through.

But it’s not what’s happening. 

 

[dockers_strike]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Is pointing out what's actually happening them ,defending them?

The bbc are reporting the Americans are confident anyone with a pass is getting through.

I wouldnt trust them cunts an inch and they're still handing out summary excution of people on the streets. So fuck them and 'what's actually happening.'

[Arniepie]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

But it’s not what’s happening. 

 

Read the update from the bbc posted 20 mins ago.

Its saying there was apparent some confusion and Afghans with Visas are being allowed to leave

 

[VladimirIlyich]

7 hours ago, sir roger said:

Makes sense but I would hope that I would fight to stop my wife and daughters be enslaved.

It would seem many Afghans don't share our Western definition of the word enslaved.