The Conflict in Afghanistan

[Chris]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Republicans are blaming Biden despite it being Trumps plan. 

 

If this happens under Trump, they blame Obama. Fuck Republicans. 

 

Also: Fuck the democrats for saying "this is Trump's plan" despite the current president carrying it out. 

 

Moral of the story: Fuck ALL of them. 

[Arniepie]

3 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Get your people out. Get the people who helped you out. Then you can do what you want.

 

It's lazy that the only comeback is "what's he supposed to do stay another 20 years?" as if departing now (and scrambling to get all your people out before some arbitrary deadline) and staying 20 more years and fighting a forever war are the only options..

The decision has already been made to leave.

To stay on for an indescrimate amount of time would be hugely unpopular. 

[Chris]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

The decision has already been made to leave.

To stay on for an indescrimate amount of time would be hugely unpopular. 

 

Just long enough to get your people out, mate. That's all. 

 

EDIT: The Biden Administration chose the August 31 deadline too. 

[Arniepie]

This is probably a naive question..but what was this meant to achieve?

Who was the target?the Americans?the Taliban?

Or just normal afghams?

 

I know the answer is probally just to create fear but it seems particularly senseless.

[Strontium]

Can people decide whether it was wrong to go into Afghanistan or wrong to leave it, and stick with one or the other? The flip-flopping is doing my head in.

[Dave D]

Middle East killing the fuck out of each other and Western invaders with hidden agendas is Centuries old news.

 

BBC should get plenty more vacancies filled in fairness  

[Rico1304]

31 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

This is probably a naive question..but what was this meant to achieve?

Who was the target?the Americans?the Taliban?

Or just normal afghams?

 

I know the answer is probally just to create fear but it seems particularly senseless.

Isis don’t think Taliban are devout enough.  

[Bruce Spanner]

11 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Isis don’t think Taliban are devout enough.  

 

Vice versa, the Taliban are the holier than thou cunts.

 

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Isis don’t think Taliban are devout enough.  

I guess that would be an evangelical matter.

[Leyton388]

Have they blamed us yet over on GOT?

[clangers]

23 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Isis don’t think Taliban are devout enough.  

It's the the People's Front of Judea vs the Judea People's Front basically.

[Manny]

My take is that the US/Taliban deal last year was something like “we can see you’re not going away, so how about we fuck off next summer in return for you playing nice with that nice government we installed, and not blowing up any of our troops.” Thereve been few (if any?) attacks on US troops in the last year but it looks like the Taliban have just strung talks along, waiting for the Americans to fuck off and building their strength.

 

It’s left Biden with a choice: renege on the deal in the face of rising local Taliban aggression and see the bullets start flying, and front up the inevitable heat - especially when the troops start getting shot at and killed - at home (which could slowly take a toll over the coming years), or preside over unpalatable Fall of Saigon scenes and get heat from the international community - but heat that might pass quickly.

 

Im not saying it’s right - its fucking yellow - but there’s probably a no-win scenario at the heart of it.

 

Oh, and I just read about that ISIS-K attack on a maternity ward and they’re pretty much the vilest cunts on the planet. Says the attackers were all killed - I hope it was fucking painful and they suffered every second of it. Grim, backward cunts. 

[Leyton388]

You know ISIS are evil cunts when even the Taliban fucking hate them. 

 

The issue is not with the US leaving Afghanistan its the way Biden has done it. He pulled pretty much all the troops out before getting US civilians,  Afghanistan allies or people at risk out first and let's not forget the gold mine of weaponry he's left for the taliban. 

 

It's just crazy the way he's done it. 

 

[TheHowieLama]

I don't think many, if any,  US civilians were caught by surprise - the timeline has been in place for many months.

[Em City]

People giving Biden shit saying he is finished because US servicemen have been killed.

 

Firstly, it was Trump's plan. He actually released the current leader of the Taliban as part of the negotiations. Art of the Deal, eh.

 

Secondly, he got US soldiers killed in Yemen with a suicide mission and not one word of it was said on Fox.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna806246

 

 

[Jairzinho]

The two part documentary with Rory Stewart on the i-player was very good. 

[Section_31]

Things went to shit the exact same time James Blunt left the army, that much is beyond dispute.

[Captain Turdseye]

I honestly thought on the first day those pictures of crowds gathering near the airport came out, that there’d be a suicide bomber targeting them before too long. Then a day or two ago they said they had intelligence or there was a known threat? Surely they could have done more to combat it, especially with the Taliban stopping more people from getting through. 
 

I had no idea how prolific ISIS-K were. The list of their attacks that was on the Wiki page that Bruce posted is shocking reading. I don’t remember a single one of them being on/in the news here. If any were they must have been tucked well out of sight. 
 

Just makes it seem that what happened yesterday was even more inevitable than I’d first thought, given that the majority of their previous suicide bombings had happened in Kabul anyway. 
 

And Joe Biden’s tough guy act last night was ridiculous. Looking straight down the camera giving it the full Neeson. “We will find you and we will kill you and any civilians that happen to be in the area, using our unmanned flying bombing machines.”

[Elite]

1 hour ago, Captain Turdseye said:

I honestly thought on the first day those pictures of crowds gathering near the airport came out, that there’d be a suicide bomber targeting them before too long. Then a day or two ago they said they had intelligence or there was a known threat? Surely they could have done more to combat it, especially with the Taliban stopping more people from getting through. 
 

I had no idea how prolific ISIS-K were. The list of their attacks that was on the Wiki page that Bruce posted is shocking reading. I don’t remember a single one of them being on/in the news here. If any were they must have been tucked well out of sight. 
 

Just makes it seem that what happened yesterday was even more inevitable than I’d first thought, given that the majority of their previous suicide bombings had happened in Kabul anyway. 
 

And Joe Biden’s tough guy act last night was ridiculous. Looking straight down the camera giving it the full Neeson. “We will find you and we will kill you and any civilians that happen to be in the area, using our unmanned flying bombing machines.”

I've not seen it but sounds a scene from 24.

[Rico1304]

So it now looks like the Taliban released ISIS and al-qaeda terrorists from prison as they took control.  That seems less than ideal. 

[Rico1304]

This is interesting. 
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

[SasaS]

This is probably their biggest fuck-up since the Little Big Horn.

[Rico1304]

31 minutes ago, SasaS said:

This is probably their biggest fuck-up since the Little Big Horn.

I think the Bay of Pigs was a bit worse.  And Vietnam. 

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

This is interesting. 
 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

 

Very apt.

[Bjornebye]

4 hours ago, SasaS said:

This is probably their biggest fuck-up since the Soviet Union won Basketball gold at the Olympics in 88

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