The Latin America thread

[moof]

51 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Is no undemocratically elected leader safe these days?

“Winning elections is undemocratic” - the Liberal Democrats, 2019

[Strontium]

Just now, moof said:

“Winning elections is undemocratic” - the Liberal Democrats, 2019

 

Well, it is when people vote to bar you from running in them, and then you rig them, yes.

[moof]

It just explains a lot of the Lib Dem pathology, if it’s considered undemocratic to win an election. 

[Strontium]

So you're just ignoring the fact that there was widescale fraud? That doesn't come into consideration at all?

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Great to hear the perspective of someone with actual ties with the country, but I though you were Brazilian?

 

 

Here we go again. Another one with “they all look the same...”

[moof]

Where was the fraud? 

[SasaS]

Just now, moof said:

Where was the fraud? 

 

Didn't Morales agree to hold another election because of the accusations?

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

Where was the fraud? 

 

Haven't you been following proceedings?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-50365340

 

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Bolivia's President Evo Morales has said he will call a new election after international monitors questioned the validity of his victory last month.

The Organization of American States (OAS), which monitored the elections, found "clear manipulation" and called for the result to be annulled.

Reports of election fraud sparked off weeks of anti-government protests.

 

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In its preliminary report on Sunday, the OAS said it had found "clear manipulations" of Bolivia's voting system and it could not verify the result of the 20 October race.

During the audit, it said it found physical records with alterations and forged signatures, and evidence of wide-scale data manipulation.

The international body concluded it was unlikely that Mr Morales had won by the 10% margin required for a victory. It recommended that a new electoral commission be set up before a fresh election could take place.

 

[Bjornebye]

Has Moof just had his arse handed to him by SD? 

[3 Stacks]

39 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Haven't you been following proceedings?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-50365340

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, moof said:

The facts are clear for all to see

Oops. I forgot uninformed, in addition to biased. 

[Strontium]

I mean everyone has bias. But bias shouldn't stop you overlooking the facts.

 

Which is why I can admit that Morales, who comes from a completely different political tradition, did some very good things in his first two terms, and had he bowed out when he was supposed to instead of going full Chavez, his reign would most likely have been viewed quite fondly across the political spectrum.

[moof]

57 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

 

Oops. I forgot uninformed, in addition to biased. 

Every human has bias, you fucking moron. 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Haven't you been following proceedings?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-50365340

 

 

 

So it was a good coup?

[Strontium]

You can call it whatever you want. Someone who tried to rig an election was removed from power. The end.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

You can call it whatever you want. Someone who tried to rig an election was removed from power. The end.

Well, not really -- see Venezuela

[moof]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

You can call it whatever you want. Someone who tried to rig an election was removed from power. The end.

Where is your proof that the election was rigged? The only facts we have at this moment are, he won the election, and has now been deposed by uniformed military generals. The argument is not over whether there are problematic elements to the election or if morales is the ultimate paragon of a virtuous leader - it is that the elected government has been overthrown by military coup 

[moof]

You can come up with any justification you like, fraud, election rigging - all unproven as of now. The facts speak for themselves 

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Someone who tried to rig an election was removed from power. The end.

If only people from US agencies would face the same consequences when they do the same thing. South America would probably be a lot better off.

[Strontium]

I don't have proof, I'm not an election monitor. They're the ones who have the proof.

 

Of course I'm sure you'd be complaining just as forcefully if Boris Johnson was removed from power after being elected due to election fraud, and that this is a principled stance and in no way because Corbyn has come out in support of Morales.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I don't have proof, I'm not an election monitor. They're the ones who have the proof.

 

Of course I'm sure you'd be complaining just as forcefully if Boris Johnson was removed from power after being elected due to election fraud, and that this is a principled stance and in no way because Corbyn has come out in support of Morales.

What a shitty and pathetic thing to say. 

[moof]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I don't have proof, I'm not an election monitor. They're the ones who have the proof.

 

Of course I'm sure you'd be complaining just as forcefully if Boris Johnson was removed from power after being elected due to election fraud, and that this is a principled stance and in no way because Corbyn has come out in support of Morales.

You’re a troll

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, moof said:

You’re a troll

 

And you're full of shit.

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

And you're full of shit.

Where have I ever suggested I would support a military coup in response to “electoral fraud”? You’re a fucking idiot, I’m done with you. 

[3 Stacks]

41 minutes ago, moof said:

Every human has bias, you fucking moron. 

Ooooh watch out, moof is testy.

 

Here's a thought, maybe don't be snarky to someone on here who actually seems to have knowledge on a situation that hits close to home for them simply because it goes against your political identity.

 

I don't care to argue with you on most of these topics, but you're immensely boring on a lot of them. 

[moof]

2 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Ooooh watch out, moof is testy.

 

Here's a thought, maybe don't be snarky to someone on here who actually seems to have knowledge on a situation that hits close to home for them simply because it goes against your political identity.

 

I don't care to argue with you on most of these topics, but you're immensely boring on a lot of them. 

I wasn’t being snarky. You don’t need to be born in Bolivia to see that this is, in fact, a military coup. Anybody can “seem” to have knowledge about anything. What kind of logic is that?