The Latin America thread

[aRdja]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

And the people showing sympathy to them?

Didn’t you call them “democracy campaigners”?

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Didn’t you call them “democracy campaigners”?

 

No, I called democracy campaigners democracy campaigners. You subsequently seem to have decided, apropos of nothing, that right-wing goose-steppers are one and the same.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

No, I called democracy campaigners democracy campaigners. You subsequently seem to have decided, apropos of nothing, that right-wing goose-steppers are one and the same.

You know what you did pal. 

[SasaS]

And yet another thread will now go down the usual, predictable route.

[moof]

16 minutes ago, SasaS said:

And yet another thread will now go down the usual, predictable route.

Fasasascist

[Red Phoenix]

To go back to Venezuela this is from July. Guaido isn't a US puppet though, honest :

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WASHINGTON — The Trump administration plans to divert more than $40 million in humanitarian aid from Central America to the U.S.-backed opposition in Venezuela, according to an internal memo and interviews.

The memo, dated July 11 and obtained by The Times, is a notification to Congress from the U.S. Agency for International Development that the money is going to Venezuela in response to an “exigent” crisis involving U.S. “national interest.”

The U.S. has been an ardent supporter of forces attempting to oust the leftist government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and now recognizes his challenger, opposition leader Juan Guaido, as the legitimate ruler of the besieged nation.

All of the money being diverted will go to Guaido and his faction, the memo said, to pay for their salaries, airfare, “good governance” training, propaganda, technical assistance for holding elections and other “democracy-building” projects.

The $41.9 million had been destined for Guatemala and Honduras, two of three countries in Central America’s so-called Northern Triangle, an impoverished and violence-ridden region that accounts for the majority of migrants now fleeing to the United States.

President Trump late last year said he was cutting all aid to Central America until the countries stopped the flow of migrants across Mexico and toward the U.S. southern border. Critics said ending aid would be counterproductive because the conditions that thousands are already fleeing would only worsen.

Trump’s threat applied to money allotted for the region for 2018, a total of about $370 million. The $41.9 million is the first tranche of those funds to be “repurposed,” said a congressional aide familiar with the matter, who requested anonymity in discussing internal workings.

“What they are doing is essentially taking the money that would help poor Central American children and giving it to pay the salaries of Guaido and his officials and employees,” the person said.

 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-07-16/usaid-diverting-humanitarian-aid-to-political-opposition-in-venezuela

 

You can have these fucking idiots in Venezuela funded by the US, Neo-Nazis in the Ukraine and now open fascists/Nazis in Bolivia, but still there's people that are confused as to what all the fuss is and are still focusing on those that have been removed from power as the main problem.

 

It's not so much about what's said about these right wing and nazi scum, it's what isn't said. Like so much of the media at times, there can be a near total focus on one side with some events but the right are basically given a free pass and hardly commented on. Openly using fascist symbols, sieg heiling, assaulting, torturing, killing, it doesn't matter. The main problem is still those leftists or those who refused to accept the IMF loan or whatever other bullshit demands.

 

So fuck Guaido, fuck the Azov Battalion in the Ukraine and fuck these bastards that have taken over in Bolivia. They're scum, and they have been and will be the cause of suffering on levels that we'll never know the full extent of. Some of the main figures here have been Christian fundies as well. Why are fundies attacked so much by some in the religion thread but given a free pass when they're playing such a big part in destroying governments? Could be because they're at least attacking those evil leftists in some of these situations maybe.

 

I don't like fundies me. Unless they're overthrowing governments with the help of US agencies of course. That should go without saying.

 

Shows how fucking backwards US politicians are too. Trying to cause problems for Lord Biden in the upcoming election : "Let the impeachment process finally begin!" Helping overthrow a foreign government : "Whatever. We can't use that as a reason or most future presidents will never see out their first term."

[Strontium]

u ok hun?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

u ok hun?

"Hun" !? have some neg 

[Strontium]

On ‎08‎/‎05‎/‎2016 at 13:13, Bjornebye said:

U ok hun? X

 

Is the problem that I missed out the X?

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

u ok hun?

 

[moof]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

u ok hun?

You need to expand your consciousness. Have you ever tried ayahuasca? 
 

make fun of RP all you like, I know I don’t agree with everything he’s ever posted, but people like him are more connected to the real world than you have ever been 

[Bjornebye]

30 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Is the problem that I missed out the X?

I can call you a hun because huns are twats. Hun 

[aRdja]

Could’ve sworn you responded to the tweet and called the groups “democracy activists”, but if that was just a coincidence then I’m glad you’ve clarified SD, because I was getting a bit worried. 

[Strontium]

Learn to parse simple English is the best advice here.

[aRdja]

Terrifying.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

Where's the huge concern for Chile from the media and our politicians? Guess the government down there isn't left wing so it doesn't matter and we have near silence instead. The fucking massive fraud cunts.

 

If Chile had a socialist government right now there'd be a fucking uproar.

[Jairzinho]

15 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

If Chile had a socialist government right now there'd be a fucking uproar.

They know from experience they're not allowed socialist governments.

[SasaS]

22 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Where's the huge concern for Chile from the media and our politicians? Guess the government down there isn't left wing so it doesn't matter and we have near silence instead. The fucking massive fraud cunts.

 

If Chile had a socialist government right now there'd be a fucking uproar.

What are you talking about, the demonstrations are regularly reported, it was even discussed on here, same as the demonstrations in Ecuador. And the video of the lady mayor being molested by the opposition (which BTW happened before the army intervened / the fascist coup was) was also widely reported. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Anez has said that Morales should not be allowed to stand in any new election. 

 

It's beginning to look a lot like Coupmas. 

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

They know from experience they're not allowed socialist governments.

 

Would like to think something good will happen but suppose it'll be the US's new pet project to turn things back to shit eventually if so.

 

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

And the video of the lady mayor being molested by the opposition (which BTW happened before the army intervened / the fascist coup was) was also widely reported. 

 

Are you getting Bolivia mixed up with Chile? I've seen reports in the US from searching about what's happening but that's about it I think. Either way it's nothing on the scale of what it'd be if it was a left wing/socialist government. You can see footage of massive protests a lot easier from some accounts on social media though obviously. Haven't seen a thing from politicians either.

[SasaS]

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Would like to think something good will happen but suppose it'll be the US's new pet project to turn things back to shit eventually if so.

 

 

Are you getting Bolivia mixed up with Chile? I've seen reports in the US from searching about what's happening but that's about it I think. Either way it's nothing on the scale of what it'd be if it was a left wing/socialist government. You can see footage of massive protests a lot easier from some accounts on social media though obviously. Haven't seen a thing from politicians either.

There is even a whole separate topic on the BBC News site called Chile Protests or something like that. There are regular updates. Plus, it's slightly different since the protests look to be more similar to the ones in Ecuador, over economic measures and situation, rather than elections / legitimacy of the government, which usually gets more media attention, especially if the government is about to be or is getting overthrown. 

And didn't Chile already have a leftist government or president before this current one?

[TheHowieLama]

Chile is the top story on CNN today.

 

Pinochet put a little crimp in the left's presence to say the least but today they have a fairly left leaning one overall.

 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There is even a whole separate topic on the BBC News site called Chile Protests or something like that. There are regular updates. Plus, it's slightly different since the protests look to be more similar to the ones in Ecuador, over economic measures and situation, rather than elections / legitimacy of the government, which usually gets more media attention, especially if the government is about to be or is getting overthrown. 

And didn't Chile already have a leftist government or president before this current one?

 

I don't use the BBC's trash tip of a news site so didn't know that, thanks. I know there's some coverage if you look around but when people have been killed and there's massive protests I don't think it's anywhere near the scale of what you'd see if our governments had an interest in seeing them gone. I've not once seen The Guardian with it on their front page either, I think that would've been different if the dreaded socialism was in power.

 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Chile is the top story on CNN today.

 

Thanks that's great to know. Maybe some of the clowns over here will follow shortly then.

[Red Phoenix]

Guardian on Bolivia's current president :

 

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“We want to be a democratic tool of inclusion and unity,” said the 52-year-old religious conservative, sitting at a table bearing a huge open Bible and crucifix.

 

Hmm. Something seems a bit off with that.

 

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But the transitional cabinet sworn into office on Wednesday night did not include a single indigenous person, in a country where at least 40% of the population belongs to one of 36 indigenous groups.

 

And there we go. What about those leftists tho.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/bolivia-president-jeanine-anez-cabinet-indigenous