£190 pregnancy grant.

[Nick Leeson]

Oh and does anyone know if they're doing back pay on this one?

[Duncan Clench]

Not impotent but yet to see on the fertility aspect. Babies scare the fuck out of me and I'm under pressure to 'try' right now!!

[Nick Leeson]

Well £190 should surely be calming some of those reservations for you. Do you realise how much shortbread you could buy with £190? A lot.

[hamstrung]

I have just discovered you can't even buy a pram for £190.

 

I agree with Section, the world is fucked.

[Duncan Clench]

Well £190 should surely be calming some of those reservations for you. Do you realise how much shortbread you could buy with £190? A lot.

 

I can't deny that it has crossed my mind. I also considered how many puréed McDonalds I could get. I fear that the initial financial incentive will be outweighed by the lack of sleep I will endure.

[melons]

There is a grant of around £500 your entitled to if your on, or going to be on working and child tax credits i assume this would be on top of that.

 

Leeson, they should back date this stuff by at least 15 years. Although right now i'm skint and will settle for 5 or 6 years.

[Nick Leeson]

oh shut up. You Welsh chavs get benefits for everything and you still want more. Fucking Welsh, they come here, burning our holiday homes down. Fuck off back where you came from eh

[Lupin]

Japan has a very limited welfare system: dole payments are harshly monitored & it almost never spends anymoney at all on schemes like this.

Because of & linked to this income tax/NI doesn't kick in until much much higher (£12k+ pa from memory)

So it is always better to get a very poorly paid job than not get one, which keeps people in the community & allows them to improve their skills & prospects.

 

The UK state benefit system is a major cause of the problem which it then has to spend extra money to alleviate.

The cycle is never broken nor will it as the state actively prefers the power to interfere it brings, but it doesnt net help the situation.

 

You may as well be comparing grass and tarmac - we're not Japan and Japan is not us - the whole historical/cultural/philosophical culture of the two societies is and always has been profoundly different. Japan has the highest child and middle-aged suicide rates in the world - maybe we should learn from that too?

[melons]

oh shut up. You Welsh chavs get benefits for everything and you still want more. Fucking Welsh, they come here, burning our holiday homes down. Fuck off back where you came from eh

 

Fuck off, over £150 out of my purse went into 2 shops in Liverpool yesterday, bloody cities and their shops corrupting my kids to buy into the commercialism of society.

 

On the subject of prams, seriously, why would a person need an all terrain pram in a city centre?

[Lupin]

On the subject of prams, seriously, why would a person need an all terrain pram in a city centre?

 

An all terrain pram? Jeebus what next? :lol:

[She Knows It]

Fuck off, over £150 out of my purse went into 2 shops in Liverpool yesterday, bloody cities and their shops corrupting my kids to buy into the commercialism of society.

 

On the subject of prams, seriously, why would a person need an all terrain pram in a city centre?

 

They're the 4x4s of baby transport. And those 3 wheel ones are the worst. They cost about a billion quid, and look like those big buggies that kids with cerebral palsy are pushed round in.

[paddyberger15]

SKI once went for some childcare and pregnancy adivce. When she got there, she couldn't find the clinic until she saw a sign which said...'For Family planning, use back entrance'. She said "yep, that will do for me".

[Sweeney287]

I have just discovered you can't even buy a pram for £190.

 

I agree with Section, the world is fucked.

 

Nope, not even close to getting a decent one unfortunately.

 

We just got our pram and it was £300. Why some people pay over 800 notes for a pram is beyond me. Even if I was flush I wouldn't do that.

[Paul]

They're the 4x4s of baby transport. And those 3 wheel ones are the worst. They cost about a billion quid, and look like those big buggies that kids with cerebral palsy are pushed round in.

They're fucking great those things. We were never one of those "must have every single item in Mothercare" families, but of the things we did get, the three wheel buggy owes us the least. We absolutely twatted it. It lasted through both kids and was superb around town if we were shopping as it'd carry tons of stuff. It was also great for taking on holiday and for going walking in the Lakes. It was actually a gift from the in-laws, but it was just about the best thing we had.

[hamstrung]

Nope, not even close to getting a decent one unfortunately.

 

We just got our pram and it was £300. Why some people pay over 800 notes for a pram is beyond me. Even if I was flush I wouldn't do that.

 

Aye - the Mrs was looking at those £800 ones last night. Fortunately she isn't the sort to care about that sort of thing, but even £300 is madness.

 

If it was down to me, it'd have one of these

 

[havarantagain]

It's to get underclass pregnant women to engage with the state. Many kids are born without the mum having any pre-natal care whatsoever often leading to all kinds of health issues for the kid before they're even born and then sliding off into delinquency afterwards. Once a mum and baby is in the system, more support for the child can then happen - health visitor, access to Sure Start centres, etc. The idea is to ensure the child has a great start by maximising support.

 

For example, Sure Start centres will actually teach mums how to be a parent - stuff like talking to their baby, what to feed it, how to set boundaries. Many, many kids in areas of significant deprivation have shit diets and lifestyles from clueless parents that ultimately make them a drain on the state. This is an attempt to stop them slipping through the net.

 

No doubt some people will think it's ridiculous nanny state nonsense. I don't see a better way of addressing the underclass problem, short of chemical castration/sterilisation.

 

I think that bit will serve society slightly better than encouraging the ignorant fucks from spreading there genes. If the state linked the right to support child birth to education and qualification, or the snip. That would be a better way of improving the under classes.

[Nick Leeson]

Aye - the Mrs was looking at those £800 ones last night. Fortunately she isn't the sort to care about that sort of thing, but even £300 is madness.

 

If it was down to me, it'd have one of these

 

The prams last well longer than the kids do, they are pretty well made but the problem is that a lot of people don't want to put their baby in a second hand pram, or even a second hand anything. Especially if it's their first and then once the kids are too old for them they get lashed as they take up too much space just to keep hold of incase you get knocked up again.

[hamstrung]

I am not proud. Where second hand makes sense that's what it'll get. I think the Mrs has already snagged a cot, play mat, and moses basket all for about £20. If its something that's going to last a few years I don't mind paying for it, but for something that's going to last 6 months it seems a waste.

[Paul]

I am not proud. Where second hand makes sense that's what it'll get. I think the Mrs has already snagged a cot, play mat, and moses basket all for about £20. If its something that's going to last a few years I don't mind paying for it, but for something that's going to last 6 months it seems a waste.

Best way. Accept anything you can get as a hand me down. Clothes are the most ridiculously expensive thing about having kids if you're not sensible. Most stuff lasts no longer than six months before it's grown out of. Places like Zara and H&M do stupid sales on kids clothes where stuff drops to about a pound per item. Shopping at any other time for them is like wiping your arse with tenners.

 

Also, don't believe the hype about all the equipment you need. Sterilisers, fire guards, stair guards, baby monitors - load of alarmist bollocks. A dishwasher will sterilise bottles and if not, a bowl and kettle will. As for fires and stairs - tell your kids not to go near them and supervise them properly. And as for a baby monitor, just use your ears.

[Tom R]

It's to get underclass pregnant women to engage with the state. Many kids are born without the mum having any pre-natal care whatsoever often leading to all kinds of health issues for the kid before they're even born and then sliding off into delinquency afterwards. Once a mum and baby is in the system, more support for the child can then happen - health visitor, access to Sure Start centres, etc. The idea is to ensure the child has a great start by maximising support.

 

For example, Sure Start centres will actually teach mums how to be a parent - stuff like talking to their baby, what to feed it, how to set boundaries. Many, many kids in areas of significant deprivation have shit diets and lifestyles from clueless parents that ultimately make them a drain on the state. This is an attempt to stop them slipping through the net.

 

No doubt some people will think it's ridiculous nanny state nonsense. I don't see a better way of addressing the underclass problem, short of chemical castration/sterilisation.

 

We should just do that.

 

Everyone should be sterilised at birth and unless I say they can have kids then they can't.

[Duncan Clench]

We should just do that.

 

Everyone should be sterilised at birth and unless I say they can have kids then they can't.

 

I love this idea. I think we should also be given the option to have Tom impregnate our women.