Political Correctness

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I hadn't heard, but I see now that a notorious hoaxer has claimed credit for it.

 

Trust the Guardian to publish something like that sincerely.

Just read it.  The only bit that was worth reading was at the bottom:

The author was not paid a fee for this piece

[Carvalho Diablo]

Gran Torino was fucking brilliant.

[Rico1304]

Everybody can have an opinion. Are all opinions equal?

No they fucking aren't!

 

But you seem to have a problem with an actor/comedian/fighter hosting a programme in which he interviews an academic with direct experience of the issue. Your reason for not listening is lack of time. Much easier to dismiss it.

 

Lots of people on here respect Rogan of course. Don't have to agree with him on everything of course.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Interesting slant on it.

 

Have a listen to the Joe Rogan podcast mentioned on the podcast thread for another view.

 

Then read the 'alt right radicalised me' article from the Guardian.

This one?

 

 

Nearly 3 hours?  Fuck that.

 

I've started listening to people discussing the thinking (or lack of) behind the fact that a tiny minority of people who nobody ever meets may or may not want to change the use of pronouns.  Is that worth talking about?  It seems to reinforce a line from the Guardian article

These pieces committed many of the same fallacies that their predecessors from the 1990s had. They cherry-picked anecdotes and caricatured the subjects of their criticism.

 

They also seem to equate all Marxism with the worst excesses of Stalinism.  That's either stupid or dishonest (or maybe both).  They seem to assume that Marxists are either ignorant or evil and (although they didn't use the C word in the 15 minutes I listened to) the only logical, natural way to human progress is Capitalism ("the reason anyone strives to better themselves... is to produce inequality.  You're trying to rise above the mediocre masses every time you make an effort at anything.")

 

Fifteen minutes I'll never get back.  I'll pass on the remaining two and a half hours.

[setreal]

I know fuck all about Joe Rogan, but my first thought when I saw that "academic versus this" post was "that's playing the man, not the ball".

 

Absolutely an ad hominem attack there, no question. Below the belt and all. Sucker punch. etc etc (Dude is involved with UFC)

 

TBH I haven't listened to a lot of his stuff, hardly anything in fact. A friend sent me a 5 minute vid where Rog talks about the gender wage gap which was very instructive as to how he forms his opinions (from a position with no knowledge in the subject matter, i. e. basic sociological and social psychological principles in this instance, but instead relying heavily on own experiences/anecdotal evidence) and how he presents them with bravado and mixes in faux or pseudo ITK language ("You know, when you really look into it...").

 

Of course this doesn't mean that nobody should listen to his stuff, should not find him entertaining or that everything he says is wrong.

[Rico1304]

This one?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

 

Nearly 3 hours? Fuck that.

 

I've started listening to people discussing the thinking (or lack of) behind the fact that a tiny minority of people who nobody ever meets may or may not want to change the use of pronouns. Is that worth talking about? It seems to reinforce a line from the Guardian article

These pieces committed many of the same fallacies that their predecessors from the 1990s had. They cherry-picked anecdotes and caricatured the subjects of their criticism.

 

They also seem to equate all Marxism with the worst excesses of Stalinism. That's either stupid or dishonest (or maybe both). They seem to assume that Marxists are either ignorant or evil and (although they didn't use the C word in the 15 minutes I listened to) the only logical, natural way to human progress is Capitalism ("the reason anyone strives to better themselves... is to produce inequality. You're trying to rise above the mediocre masses every time you make an effort at anything.")

 

Fifteen minutes I'll never get back. I'll pass on the remaining two and a half hours.

Oh well, never mind.

 

Of course they were discussing an actual change in the law. The law. But hey ho.

[Rico1304]

Absolutely an ad hominem attack there, no question. Below the belt and all. Sucker punch. etc etc (Dude is involved with UFC)

 

TBH I haven't listened to a lot of his stuff, hardly anything in fact. A friend sent me a 5 minute vid where Rog talks about the gender wage gap which was very instructive as to how he forms his opinions (from a position with no knowledge in the subject matter, i. e. basic sociological and social psychological principles in this instance, but instead relying heavily on own experiences/anecdotal evidence) and how he presents them with bravado and mixes in faux or pseudo ITK language ("You know, when you really look into it...").

 

Of course this doesn't mean that nobody should listen to his stuff, should not find him entertaining or that everything he says is wrong.

Funny you should mention the pay gap - someone on here recommended the podcasts Freakonomics and Stuff you should know - I listened to the Stuff you should know whilst mowing the lawn today. Have a listen.

[Lario]

This isn't very pc, but this thread is a cunt of epic proportions!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Oh well, never mind.

 

Of course they were discussing an actual change in the law. The law. But hey ho.

They weren't at all clear which law - I wasn't even certain which country they were talking about - or what the law really meant (they were giving their heavily slanted interpretation of the bits they disagreed with) or how it would be enforced ... or anything useful and factual, really.  They moved on from that after a couple of minutes, so I find it hard to get my knickers in a twist about whatever it was.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

rico is having an affair with Joe Rogan behind Sam Harris's back.

This Sam Harris?

 

Fair play to Rico; at least Rogan is buff.

[Hooch]

The bit where Clint Eastwood just growls at some black lads from his porch.

[setreal]

Funny you should mention the pay gap - someone on here recommended the podcasts Freakonomics and Stuff you should know - I listened to the Stuff you should know whilst mowing the lawn today. Have a listen.

 

Some of the Freakonomics titles seem interesting so this is way more likely. But really, there is so much really, really interesting stuff on my shelf already that I seemingly never get to.

[Rico1304]

Some of the Freakonomics titles seem interesting so this is way more likely. But really, there is so much really, really interesting stuff on my shelf already that I seemingly never get to.

Thought as much.

[setreal]

Thought as much.

 

Wait I don't even understand.

 

So because I watched a five minute vid where the "wage gap" is mentioned, your train of thought is then "Wage eh? That's economics innit!" And because some fella on the interwebs recommended you these podcasts about economy like literally 12 hours ago I am now suddenly in a position where I have to justify why I don't listen to hours worth of podcasts posthaste whilst mowing the lawn?

[TheHowieLama]

No - that is not it. What are you keeping on the shelf there fella?

[setreal]

Oh.

 

Well, there's lots of porn. And of course my collection of Night Court VHS-tapes. But mainly porn.

[Hades]

Absolutely an ad hominem attack there, no question. Below the belt and all. Sucker punch. etc etc (Dude is involved with UFC)

 

TBH I haven't listened to a lot of his stuff, hardly anything in fact. A friend sent me a 5 minute vid where Rog talks about the gender wage gap which was very instructive as to how he forms his opinions (from a position with no knowledge in the subject matter, i. e. basic sociological and social psychological principles in this instance, but instead relying heavily on own experiences/anecdotal evidence) and how he presents them with bravado and mixes in faux or pseudo ITK language ("You know, when you really look into it...").

 

Of course this doesn't mean that nobody should listen to his stuff, should not find him entertaining or that everything he says is wrong.

 

 

This one?

 

 

Nearly 3 hours?  Fuck that.

 

I've started listening to people discussing the thinking (or lack of) behind the fact that a tiny minority of people who nobody ever meets may or may not want to change the use of pronouns.  Is that worth talking about?  It seems to reinforce a line from the Guardian article

These pieces committed many of the same fallacies that their predecessors from the 1990s had. They cherry-picked anecdotes and caricatured the subjects of their criticism.

 

They also seem to equate all Marxism with the worst excesses of Stalinism.  That's either stupid or dishonest (or maybe both).  They seem to assume that Marxists are either ignorant or evil and (although they didn't use the C word in the 15 minutes I listened to) the only logical, natural way to human progress is Capitalism ("the reason anyone strives to better themselves... is to produce inequality.  You're trying to rise above the mediocre masses every time you make an effort at anything.")

 

Fifteen minutes I'll never get back.  I'll pass on the remaining two and a half hours.

 

Funny how the right always seem to criticise the left without reading anything about it. I've had the displeasure of reading right-wing nonsense (Ayn Rand etc.) and it's complete, fantasist drivel. 

[Rico1304]

Funny how the right always seem to criticise the left without reading anything about it. I've had the displeasure of reading right-wing nonsense (Ayn Rand etc.) and it's complete, fantasist drivel.

Joe Rogan is right wing?

 

Forgot, everyone is right wing to you. Like when you are at the North Pole and every direction is South.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Oh.

 

Well, there's lots of porn. And of course my collection of Night Court VHS-tapes. But mainly porn.

 

I do hope it is German porn? We can't be having any of that foreign muck over here. 

[setreal]

I do hope it is German porn? We can't be having any of that foreign muck over here. 

 

"Die fröhlichen Holzfäller der nickenden Fichten" and other classics.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

"Die fröhlichen Holzfäller der nickenden Fichten" and other classics.

 

Anspruchsvolle Film. 

[SasaS]

You hipsters and your lumberjack fetish.

[setreal]

You hipsters and your lumberjack fetish.

 

Nice. Did you get the wordplay in the last two words? One of my all time favorites.

[SasaS]

Nice. Did you get the wordplay in the last two words? One of my all time favorites.

 

Alas, no, my Gymnasiallehrerin was a real nice lady.

[Strontium]

Gymnasiallehrerin

 

Gesundheit.