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Gerrard out for 3 weeks!


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Perhaps we will see an apology from all those who demanded that he stayed on against Wigan?

(in fact he should have been taken off earlier)

 

I look forward to reading it alongside the same apology that Torres was "rested too much last season" when being over-played screwed him up.

 

Or an apology from the manager who has had five years to build a squad that is essentially just good except for two world class players?

 

We are dreadfully exposed at the moment.

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No.

 

But people do not bother to understand the sports science behind issues of rest & rotation.

 

Cheered on by Sky they then make easy but stupid criticisms of it.

 

Where is the intellectual honesty to admit they were mistaken?

 

So if this was coming, why sell and not replace your 20 million pound backup striker. Give it a rest lad.

 

Injuries happen, its outside of the managers control, what wasn't not outside of his control was selling/not replacing a striker.

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I mean that if we should be able to get a 0-0 in Madrid one would have thought we could protect a 1-0 at wigan.

Ok its not the same but you take the point that this is far far from an easy tie which has just been made considerable harder.

 

the difference being we were trying to win at wigan. at madrid, if SG is not fit, i fully expect us to have a plan where we'll try to kill the game and stop them playing. We'll have no real aspirations to score - we'll just hope Torres (if he's fit) conjures something from nothing.

 

I agree with your other point about the home leg will be far from a done job should we get a draw over there, but no matter who is in our starting line up I don't imagine anyone would be upset if we came away from madrid level.

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Or an apology from the manager who has had five years to build a squad that is essentially just good except for two world class players?

 

We are dreadfully exposed at the moment.

 

 

Is that the same squad which over-achieves doemstically & spectacularly over-achieves in the CL?

 

We will comfortably finish 3rd.

 

It still ignores the nonsense about "why isn't x playing every game?" that we have to listen to on Sky & onthis board.

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Is that the same squad which over-achieves doemstically & spectacularly over-achieves in the CL?

 

We will comfortably finish 3rd.

 

It still ignores the nonsense about "why isn't x playing every game?" that we have to listen to on Sky & onthis board.

 

 

Over achieves on your calculator you mean? give it a rest for god's sake.

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Is that the same squad which over-achieves doemstically & spectacularly over-achieves in the CL?

 

We will comfortably finish 3rd.

 

It still ignores the nonsense about "why isn't x playing every game?" that we have to listen to on Sky & onthis board.

 

Are you going to reply to my post about Pires?

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So if this was coming, why sell and not replace your 20 million pound backup striker. Give it a rest lad.

 

Injuries happen, its outside of the managers control, what wasn't not outside of his control was selling/not replacing a striker.

 

 

Because he wasn't good enough & we got an excellent price for him.

Would seem a textbook definition of a brilliant sale.

 

Great business for the long-term good of this club

(& yes it corrected an appaling mistake of his)

 

Injuries are NOT totally outside of a manager's control.

They are related to a player's conditioning & tiredness.

It is precisely that point that the idiots on Sky fail to grasp

 

Read my Wenger/Pires anecdote. It is non-Lfc so we can be less emotional about it.

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Because he wasn't good enough & we got an excellent price for him.

Would seem a textbook definition of a brilliant sale.

 

Great business for the long-term good of this club

(& yes it corrected an appaling mistake of his)

 

Injuries are NOT totally outside of a manager's control.

They are related to a player's conditioning & tiredness.

It is precisely that point that the idiots on Sky fail to grasp

 

Read my Wenger/Pires anecdote. It is non-Lfc so we can be less emotional about it.

 

Excellent price? We just scraped above half what we paid. How is it great business? Like we'll see any of that money pumped back in from the fee.

 

Maybe Gerrard just overstretched, he's looked anything but tired recently.

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How is it?

 

If he still had the strength of his convictions and felt Gerrard should have beem rested, he should have done so. And not just play him so he can say 'told you so' when he got injured. So childish.

 

It's not a comment on him, but the supporters.

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Perhaps we will see an apology from all those who demanded that he stayed on against Wigan?

(in fact he should have been taken off earlier)

 

I look forward to reading it alongside the same apology that Torres was "rested too much last season" when being over-played screwed him up.

 

What are you trying to say mate? He got injured yesterday because he wasn't taken off earlier against Wigan? Even though he played the whole game against Chelsea last sunday?

 

The reason why Gerrard got injured is because we were so fucking poor against Everton at Anfield. If we weren't so poor, we would have won that game and there would have been no replay at the pit. May be you should demand an apology from Rafa for us being poor against them instead of demanding an apology from the fans who were against the Gerrard substitution against Wigan?

 

End of the day, injuries happen in football. And Gerrard is one of the fittest players in the league.

 

May be you should accept that whatever Benitez does is not necessarily correct.

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That was a cruciate ligament injury and nothing to do with tiredness. He landed awkwardly, he never ran himself into the ground or anything.

 

Sorry i didn't reply earlier. I missed your post.

 

It still increase the chance of an injury thru being tired.

Like alcohol increases the chance of crashing your car it doesn't mean that it is definite that you will crash nor does it mean that you cant get injured when not tired/crash when sober.

 

It does however increase the chances

 

Your are right that a cruciate injury is one where the chances increase less than say a muscle strain.

 

However there are 2 paths thru which a tired player has a higher chance of a cruciate injury:

 

 

1. Tired muscles reduce your proprioceptive capability so can't adjust as quickly to a deforming force.

This is the sense of the relative position of neighbouring parts of the body

It can be thought of as your muscles "knowing" where they are in relation to other parts of the body.

When you get a force to threaten the cruciate the more proprioceptive your muscles are the more chance it is OK.

 

2. Tired players get to situations a very small fraction later than they would normally.

Therefore they then stretch a bit more or are very slightly off balance.

This increases the chances of getting yourself in a position where there is a daaging force on the curciate.

 

So tiredness very much increase the chances of a cruciate injury

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So we are left with a half fit Torres, Kuyt, N'Gog and Babel up front. An inconsistent Yossi and a shit ElZhar as a second striker. Why am I thinking of Robbie Keane all of a sudden?

 

Because he's no better than any of the above?

 

It's not about Keane per se - it's about the failure to replace him, and the failure to have bought quality over the summer.

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Perhaps we will see an apology from all those who demanded that he stayed on against Wigan?

(in fact he should have been taken off earlier)

 

I look forward to reading it alongside the same apology that Torres was "rested too much last season" when being over-played screwed him up.

 

What, a retrospective analysis of jumping onto bandwagons with the knee still jerking ? Clearly, you jest.

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At least presumably.

 

Pompey lost to Swansea recently, it'll be a disgrace not to turn them over even without Gerrard

 

the new owner's billions have lost City's dressing room, Richards et al look like they've given up playing for the shirt cos they know they're going to be replaced by galacticos (eventually)

 

Real, well we've gone to Juve and snuffed them out with Biscan and Traore so we can do it again

 

Boro are maybe the most unpredictable side in the Prem, sometimes poking United and Arse in the eye but failing to beat your Baggies and Stokes, so wouldn't like to call that one. We should be beating them even with SG though.

 

 

could have been a lot worse string of games

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Let's see if I understand the duty Rafa bashers on here.

 

1. Rafa takes Stevie off against Wigan because he is tired and he wants to make sure he is available against Everton.

 

2. He gets slated for it by the Rafa bashers some of whom ask "is this the worst mistake in LFC's history?" and "Stevie and Nando should be played all the time". "Stevie can score standing on one leg"

 

3. He plays Stevie at Everton (probably hoping to rest him for the second half if we are winning).

 

4. The duty Rafa bashers approve the team selection.

 

5. Stevie tears a hamstring in the 15th minute. Rafa points out that this is more likely to happen if a player is tired as Stevie was.

 

6. The duty Rafa bashers say Rafa is at fault for playing him!

 

Not satisfied with this prime piece of self-contradiction, the duty Rafa bashers using their special brand of circular logic then link the Stevie problem to the sale of Keane. (These are the same people who slated Keane's purchase and constant selection as another Rafa mistake. The same people who demand that Rafa should play youngsters). They say Rafa should have arranged a replacement. But these are the same people who cried bloody murder when the rumour went around that Rafa was trying to get Heskey even before the transfer window opened. They give no credit to Rafa's explanation that the offer from Spurs came too late to buy a replacement. And they conveniently forget that according to their own oft-repeated posts, Keane was no good anyway.

 

They criticise Rafa for losing a maximum of 3 million (possibly nothing) on the purchase and re-sale of Keane, but think he should have kept him as a stand-in for a few games for Stevie until the summer at the cost of another 2 million in wages and perhaps another 5 million in loss of value while depriving the youngsters of a chance to step up a level.

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