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Reports linking Keane with City.


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Too bad Keane isn't marginally better at playing football as well.

 

yeah, I was just dismissing his stats not the fact that keane has looked a bit out of his depth.

 

(I still think supply to the front men is the real problem though and keane may come good if we sort that out, as it is he doesn't fit into our style of play whereby we pass it to the front man - torres - and ask him to take on four defenders and score, it's just not his bag)

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marginally better stats than wayne rooney....

 

Probably, I`m not a fan of Rooney though and his finishing is nothing but average so whats your point, are you agreeing Keane is average?

 

But just to mention it, Rooney is creating goals for others unlike Keane in the last three seasons he has got 13, 11 and 10 assists while Keane has got 7, 3 and 3, thats the same amount Rooney got last season for the superb second striker R.Keane. :whistle:

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All I'm saying is this, Rafa must have had a plan when he bought him, but so far he hasn't tried this plan out. I assume, assuming Rafa actually watched him, that this was to play up front with Torres, with Gerrard either going CM or RW.

 

The plan, for better or worse, was to play Keane up front with Torres, which is exactly what happened at the start of the season. it didn't work IMO - they showed that they didn't have a feel for each other.Torres got injured, and Keane then went on to show he's an average player.

 

Torres is back - the two of them r now side by side again, and nothing has changed. They dont play well together and to make matters worse, Torres has been rendered ineffective.

 

People said that Crouch and Torres couldn't play together, but they were a damn site more effective than Torres and Keane.

 

There's only two players who have 'up'd the anti' and come alive with Torres - Gerrard and Alonso.

 

The Gerrard / Torres combo, is devastating, and would be even better if we got the right wing sorted. I dont mind Kuyt roaming as the 2nd striker, but right winger he isn't.

 

Lets try Keane on the right wing as the final nail in his coffin, and then pick up the 20 mil from City and START THE FRIGGIN' STADIUM.

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I think there is something in Keane going back to spurs this week, a couple of stumbling blocks is price and the fact that some people on the board would like to veto any move back to spurs.

 

On our board? If so, any idea why? Could possibly explain him being left out to avoid injury!

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Think is too bigger loss for somebody we signed six months ago. Gillett is very critical of rafa in the transfer market, I think he wants it blocked.

 

Personally if he is not in rafa's plans and its pretty obvious he is not i'd sell,I'd also be worried that if we sell, would he be able to bring another player in?

 

If no money is available then its mad to sell.

 

I was getting my hopes up we could just send him back and forget the whole episode!

 

The problem is though how many games is he likely to feature in, what is his value likely to be in 6 months time with little playing time and is it worth the gamble when looking at these two variables?

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My personal opinion is if Rafa wants him gone then get shut, my only worry is if nobody comes in.

 

I'd like to think that if we have been seriously considering selling him then we have a list of a few players that we could try to sign quickly.

 

I'm guessing with Heskey going to Villa, the most likely scenario has gone.

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My personal opinion is if Rafa wants him gone then get shut, my only worry is if nobody comes in.

Yeah i think it's all to do with the Barry thing. Parry wanted Keane, Rafa wanted Barry. It's out of order really its like Shevchenko when he was at Chelsea. Great player getting the piss taken out of him because the manager didn't want him in the first place.

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I think i read that we can't sell to Spurs till the summer

 

This is because he has just signed in the summer and there is a rule that says we cant do the deal in the same season

This is why Man City and Villa have been lsounded out i wouldnt rule out Sunderland making a move with Kenwin Jones as a swap it all depends how much we want rid and how much we are being offered now against the Spurs deal on offer for the summer and what the player wants to do all guess work but we will know within a week

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I think i read that we can't sell to Spurs till the summer

 

This is because he has just signed in the summer and there is a rule that says we cant do the deal in the same season

This is why Man City and Villa have been lsounded out i wouldnt rule out Sunderland making a move with Kenwin Jones as a swap it all depends how much we want rid and how much we are being offered now against the Spurs deal on offer for the summer and what the player wants to do all guess work but we will know within a week

 

I know there is a way round that rule im not sure of the rule but there is someway to get around it.

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yer but i think that Arry was offering only 15m and i Read that you had to apply to the Prem for permission maybe because they have given that for Chimbonda they cant for Keane

Or maybe it isnt against any rules i cant be arsed to go and check when if it happens all will be revealed

Till then i couldn't give two fucks to be honest he is a Liverpool payer and i wouldnt be worried if he was still one on the 2nd Feb

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Im still finding it hard to get my head round. £20million and we are looking to get rid after 5/6months. Cant decide if selling him now would be brave/masterstroke or foolish/stubborn in the extreme.

 

Im a bit worried about keanes version of all this when he does go. Press will have a field day.

 

What we need is Jari Litmanen!

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Im still finding it hard to get my head round. £20million and we are looking to get rid after 5/6months. Cant decide if selling him now would be brave/masterstroke or foolish/stubborn in the extreme.

 

Im a bit worried about keanes version of all this when he does go. Press will have a field day.

 

What we need is Jari Litmanen!

 

what we need is someone who can score!!

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Sell Keane, play Torres and Gerrard together, if one gets injured play Babel as a forward.

 

If we have any money to spend from the Keane sale, spend it on a right winger. He does not have to be a big name, so long as he stays wide, can beat a man from time to time and put a cross in.

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Benitez's treatment of Keane has become close to a gruesome joke

 

Tuesday, 27 January 2009

James Lawton

 

Whatever private uncertainties crowd the mind of Steven Gerrard they are clearly not so great that they prevent him from confirming – as thunderously as anyone in the history of the game – the truth of one of the more poignant assertions of the old pros.

 

It is that a football field can sometimes be not an arena but an island – a place where all the troubles and the confusions of the real world can be set aside, for a glorious interlude of 90 minutes. Diego Maradona, George Best and Paul Gascoigne proclaimed this even as they rummaged in the remnants of their talent.

 

When the brilliant coach Malcolm Allison, whose life as a player was both complicated and tumultuous, was told that his career was over because of tuberculosis he immediately reflected, "I'll never go out there to play again, knowing that I'm safe between the touchlines, that nothing can touch me as I do the thing I love most."

 

In Gerrard's case the requirement is to do rather more than hold back a worrying distraction that will not be resolved until his court appearance in March. It is to prop up, with amazing diligence and force, a football club at times so dysfunctional its close proximity to the Premier League champions and leaders Manchester United, and continued presence in the Champions League and the FA Cup, is beginning to stand logic on its head. Or, at least, that would be so if it were not for Gerrard's extraordinary ability to rise so far above both his own crisis and his club's disarray.

 

Gerrard, with the conspicuous help of the re-emerging Fernando Torres, has become Liverpool these last few weeks, far more, certainly, than the tetchy and eternally self-justifying manager Rafa Benitez and American owners whose attempts to turn a profit on the most successful club in the history of English football are beginning to sound as plaintive as the sales technique of Molly Malone.

 

A harsh verdict on Liverpool's operating technique? This is only, surely, if you can ignore the £20m scandal at the heart of Anfield – one that at the weekend became something close to a gruesome joke.

 

Robbie Keane's plight is, at the level of professional ambition, nothing less than a personal tragedy. It reached its nadir when he was told he could no longer claim a place on the bench. Here we had a harsh spotlight indeed on Benitez's fight for a contract that would put him in charge of all transfer dealing. Of course the manager's position is correct, in both theory and practice, as long as the best tradition of English football is maintained in the working arrangements of men like Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsène Wenger and Martin O'Neill.

 

However, Benitez's campaign needs a lot more illumination if it is to gain any credence in the middle of the Keane affair.

 

One strong theory on Merseyside is that the summer preoccupation of Benitez was Gareth Barry and the push to sign Keane was stronger elsewhere – and not least in the office of the chief executive, Rick Parry. Could this really be so, and if it is, could it possibly condition the appalling treatment of Keane, a player of accomplishment, even overachievement at Tottenham, who came to Anfield wearing his devotion to the Liverpool cause on his much-travelled sleeve? His short Liverpool history is more than anything a study in humiliation. It's true his early performances, his failure to relate to the game of Torres, sent out an almost instant warning that £20m had been misspent. But who was the author of the mistake, and what serious efforts were made to rectify it?

 

Did Keane receive any of the ego massaging that produced superior performance at Tottenham for Martin Jol and Juande Ramos, neither exactly kid-glove specialists? The evidence is to the contrary. Keane has indeed played poorly at times, but not with a consistency that would make his relentless fate of substitution seem any less a kind of open-ended grinding down of his spirit.

 

Typically, the Dubliner threw him himself into training yesterday and if sometimes his body language this season has touched, perhaps understandably, a degree of despair – especially on the loneliest trek in football after your number has been called – he is at pains to stress that his non-appearance at Anfield on Sunday for the Cup tie against Everton was at the suggestion of the club.

 

The inference has to be that the Keane situation has become so embarrassing that Liverpool were in no mood to provide gratuitous picture opportunities.

 

A huge part of the problem, no doubt, is that just as Keane and Torres failed to establish a natural rapport, the one struck up between the Spaniard and Gerrard is at times nothing less than sublime. We saw that in Gerrard's equaliser against Everton, a move that carried a beauty and a purpose which were scarcely nullified by the fact that the goalkeeper Tim Howard should have got down to smother the shot.

 

Keane's agony is Gerrard's glory – and perhaps, it needs to be said, Benitez's point of redemption in a season so littered with confusion. The Spaniard has never accepted the myth that Gerrard is a great, controlling midfielder, but rather a superbly equipped attacker, almost a force of nature when his power wells up so inexorably as he goes forward, with, for example, the irresistible timing which inspired the breathtaking service from Torres on Sunday.

 

This is part of the football landscape Keane is never likely to tread, a point made scornfully by Sir Alex Ferguson when he questioned his £6m move from Wolves to Coventry. Such a judgement, however, was no deterrent to a career which boasts the distinguished landmarks of Elland Road, San Siro, White Hart Lane and Anfield. It is a journey which deserves a more satisfactory climax than his desperate experience.

 

Of all the victims of Liverpool's bizarre season of politics and corporate doubt and off-field controversy, Keane is surely No 1. Gerrard? For a little while at least, he has created his own world – one he rules absolutely.

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