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10 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Oh, like most meat-eaters, they usually get someone else to inflict the fatal blow. 

I don't, I trespass on farmers fields and shoot livestock with my bow and arrow or If I'm in a rush I'll go to my local abattoir, borrow the bolt gun and stick the dead cow on the pegs of my BMX and ride off into the sunset like a pure urban hunter.

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4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Putting it out to the floor: Is there anybody here who has a clue what his point was?

I very much doubt every item of clothing you are wearing today is animal cruelty free. You will lie and say you're wearing organic clobber and pretend you're spider from Corrie because that's what you do, but that won't be the case. So you can't complain either (although you seem to be fine with it anyway to be fair) about that woman hitting that poor horse if we are all going by your rules. You knew that as my point all along though didn't you Keith... 

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8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I very much doubt every item of clothing you are wearing today is animal cruelty free. You will lie and say you're wearing organic clobber and pretend you're spider from Corrie because that's what you do, but that won't be the case. So you can't complain either (although you seem to be fine with it anyway to be fair) about that woman hitting that poor horse if we are all going by your rules. You knew that as my point all along though didn't you Keith... 

 

I'm fairly satisfied that my cotton underpants were produced at a relatively low cost to animal welfare.

 

But it's moot anyway, since even if I was wearing leather BDSM gear (or whatever else you imagine I like to strut about in), I'm not sitting on my high horse lecturing people about animal cruelty. Hypocrisy requires a person to fall short of the standards they demand from others, and I'm not making demands on anyone.

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10 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I'm fairly satisfied that my cotton underpants were produced at a relatively low cost to animal welfare.

 

But it's moot anyway, since even if I was wearing leather BDSM gear (or whatever else you imagine I like to strut about in), I'm not sitting on my high horse lecturing people about animal cruelty. Hypocrisy requires a person to fall short of the standards they demand from others, and I'm not making demands on anyone.

It's not 'moot' at all. Who on here was lecturing anyone about animal cruelty? 

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4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It's not 'moot' at all. Who on here was lecturing anyone about animal cruelty? 

 

You called someone a "horrible cunt" and a "tory sadist" for striking a horse. That does look like someone trying to take the moral high ground.

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21 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I'm fairly satisfied that my cotton underpants were produced at a relatively low cost to animal welfare.

 

But it's moot anyway, since even if I was wearing leather BDSM gear (or whatever else you imagine I like to strut about in), I'm not sitting on my high horse lecturing people about animal cruelty. Hypocrisy requires a person to fall short of the standards they demand from others, and I'm not making demands on anyone.

I thought that content was reserved for your OnlyFans?

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4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You called someone a "horrible cunt" and a "tory sadist" for striking a horse. That does look like someone trying to take the moral high ground.

So nobody was lecturing anybody then. Thanks for clearing that up. 

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30 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

I met an American bloke last week who worked on dairy farms in the US. The largest now have up to 75,000 cows housed in huge sheds, kept permanently pregnant so they produce milk, deprived of their calves and never seeing daylight. I’m no veggie but that can’t be right. 

Barbaric.

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14 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I met an American bloke last week who worked on dairy farms in the US. The largest now have up to 75,000 cows housed in huge sheds, kept permanently pregnant so they produce milk, deprived of their calves and never seeing daylight. I’m no veggie but that can’t be right. 

 

That's the entire dairy industry. There's no such thing as ethically produced meat or dairy; anyone who believes there is are living in fantasy land.

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16 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I met an American bloke last week who worked on dairy farms in the US. The largest now have up to 75,000 cows housed in huge sheds, kept permanently pregnant so they produce milk, deprived of their calves and never seeing daylight. I’m no veggie but that can’t be right. 

Yeah factory farming isnt good animal husbandry but, cows arent kept pregnant to produce milk.

 

Like all female mammals, once they've given birth, they produce milk until the young stop sukling or in the case of cows, stop being milked by farmers.

 

It isnt good that the young calves are seen as a 'by product' in the dairy farming industry though.

 

 

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Leicestershire: Pony-kick woman cleared of animal cruelty - BBC News

 

Leicestershire: Pony-kick woman cleared of animal cruelty

A woman filmed kicking and striking a pony during a hunt has been cleared of animal cruelty charges.

The RSPCA brought a private prosecution after Sarah Moulds, 39, disciplined the animal in Lincolnshire in 2021.

Mrs Moulds and supporters wept as she was cleared of two charges at Lincoln Crown Court.

Afterwards, she criticised the RSPCA, saying it had been "pressured" to act by "online bullies and ill-informed high-profile individuals".

In response, the RSPCA said it respected the jury's decision but denied it had been pressured.

Speaking outside court on Friday, Mrs Moulds said the verdict was "a testament to the importance of due process" and showed "there are two sides to every story".

She said: "The jury's decision today has vindicated me, however, the damage from the last 20 months' trial by social media is irreversible."

She said death threats sent to her and her family included one in a Christmas card delivered to her home.
 

Mrs Moulds faced charges under the Animal Welfare Act 2006, namely causing unnecessary suffering to a protected animal.

The court heard differing veterinary opinions about how much pain and fear the pony might have suffered.

Mrs Moulds, from Somerby, near Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, said she intended to "briefly shock" the animal but denied losing her temper and insisted the force used was appropriate.

She told the court her life had been "torn to pieces" by the case, having lost her job as a teacher, and that she had received death threats.

The court had heard Mrs Moulds had made "minimal contact" with the pony, which she still owned, and that there were no signs of external or internal injury following the incident, which took place in The Drift, Gunby, on 6 November 2021.

Mrs Moulds had been riding with children as part of the Cottesmore Hunt - one of Britain's oldest foxhound packs.

One of her own animals, called Bruce Almighty, pulled away from a child but quickly returned.

As the pony returned, the court was told Mrs Moulds "immediately chastised him".
 

A hunt saboteur filmed Mrs Moulds kicking the pony in the chest and slapping him four times in the face before returning him to the horse box.

Giving evidence, Mrs Moulds said: "In that moment [Bruce] has done something incredibly dangerous and, in that exact moment, I decided that the right thing to do was discipline him quickly.

"In reality, in that moment, it was four seconds. My intention was then, and always was, to discipline Bruce in the moment so that he does not do it again.

"There was minimal contact and it was so quick and so short."

After a three-day trial and just over five hours of deliberation, the jury of 11 men and one woman cleared Mrs Moulds.

Recorder Graham Huston, addressing the jury, said: "Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. I know it was not an easy case, no case is easy, but some cases are more difficult than others.

"What is obvious is you gave this case the utmost attention and you proceeded with your deliberations carefully and thoroughly and I am very grateful to you."
 

In a statement outside the court, Mrs Moulds said: "It is profoundly troubling that, in this digital age, misinformation can spread like wildfire, leading to premature judgments and jeopardising the lives and careers of innocent individuals.

"A snippet of video was taken out of context, and manipulated to paint a picture of me that is entirely at odds with who I am.

"I adore my animals and have dedicated my life to teaching and nurturing young minds; it was heart-wrenching to be so wrongly and publicly maligned.

"The loss of my career, the hand-delivered death threats to me and my children, and the distress caused to my family cannot be undone."

On the RSPCA, she said: "They are an animal charity, whose concern is animal welfare. They are the only charity in the UK with the power to prosecute.

"They have been pressured to be seen to be doing something by online bullies and ill-informed high-profile individuals, wasting a phenomenal amount of public donations to bring a politically-charged case."

She said the charity had never asked to examine the pony or see the environment in which he was being looked after.

"If they had visited Bruce on the day after this incident, or indeed any day in the last year and a half, they would have met a perfectly healthy, well-cared-for and happy pony - as verified by an independent veterinary practice at our request," she added.

An RSPCA spokesperson said: "An independent vet watched the video evidence and in their expert opinion stated it was clear that suffering had been caused to Bruce by his reaction and therefore there was no need to examine him. This was backed by a second vet who is an equine specialist.

"The vets we consulted felt in their expert view that Bruce suffered pain and also psychological suffering by the fear and distress caused.

"The RSPCA will always look into concerns that are raised about animal welfare. This case was treated no differently to any other case, all of our prosecution decisions follow the same guidance as the CPS - that is the Code for Crown Prosecutors."

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