Police are cunts

[Arniepie]

54 minutes ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/06/fifty-police-officers-contacted-woman-arrested-at-sarah-everard-vigil-on-tinder

 

This is mental. One of the women arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil was intimidated on Tinder by the police. 

Great bunch of lads

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/06/fifty-police-officers-contacted-woman-arrested-at-sarah-everard-vigil-on-tinder

 

This is mental. One of the women arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil was intimidated on Tinder by the police. 

What the fuck? That's really disturbing.

 

She should report that to the...

 

Oh.

[Bob]

14 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Watching that 24 Hours in Police Custody is always an antidote.  And people generally want the number of police that would mean they’d be able to respond very quickly to their house if someone was trying to break down the front door.  
 

There are undoubtedly issues with the police, but that’s because they have to recruit from the human race. 

That’s a cop out, and excuses the fundamental and institutional issues that continue to go unchallenged and unchanged.

 

the reason there’s bad coppers is because they have to recruit from the human race. The reason they’re allowed to behave in a way that shouldn’t be accepted in many places, is because they get away with it and the system Is built to protect and deflect and never admit fault, and to make minorities either fit in or fuck off, by and large.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

That’s a cop out, and excuses the fundamental and institutional issues that continue to go unchallenged and unchanged.

 

the reason there’s bad coppers is because they have to recruit from the human race. The reason they’re allowed to behave in a way that shouldn’t be accepted in many places, is because they get away with it and the system Is built to protect and deflect and never admit fault, and to make minorities either fit in or fuck off, by and large.

No it isn’t.  Because people are cunts. There are 160k coppers, so there are going to be lots of cunts.  Doesn’t mean every effort shouldn’t be made to root them out, train them better and hold them to an incredibly high standard. But a level of cuntery is inevitable.  
 

You are looking at a subset of the population that wants to do the job in the first place.  Then accept shit pay, shit conditions, shit lifestyle and being hated.  You could create a situation where no one qualifies to be one. 

[Arniepie]

8 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

That’s a cop out, and excuses the fundamental and institutional issues that continue to go unchallenged and unchanged.

 

the reason there’s bad coppers is because they have to recruit from the human race. The reason they’re allowed to behave in a way that shouldn’t be accepted in many places, is because they get away with it and the system Is built to protect and deflect and never admit fault, and to make minorities either fit in or fuck off, by and large.

Spot on

Any workplace where someone is affectionately called a rapist is more than a little suspect

 

[Rico1304]

27 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Maybe actually doing something when one of them does something wrong would be a step in the right direction ?

I don’t know what you mean. 

[Arniepie]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

No it isn’t.  Because people are cunts. There are 160k coppers, so there are going to be lots of cunts.  Doesn’t mean every effort shouldn’t be made to root them out, train them better and hold them to an incredibly high standard. But a level of cuntery is inevitable.  
 

You are looking at a subset of the population that wants to do the job in the first place.  Then accept shit pay, shit conditions, shit lifestyle and being hated.  You could create a situation where no one qualifies to be one. 

Shit pay?

Shit lifestyle?

[Arniepie]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I don’t know what you mean. 

Every workplace will have an element of cunts.

However with the police there seems to be very much an atmosphere of protecting our own.

There are countless examples of that down the years.

[Rico1304]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Shit pay?

Shit lifestyle?

Yes, the money is rubbish. Shift work fucks you up and takes years off your life (there’s a thread on it here somewhere), working with the dregs of society is shit, they aren’t trained to deal with lots of the mental health jobs they have to deal with. Etc etc. 

[Rico1304]

7 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Every workplace will have an element of cunts.

However with the police there seems to be very much an atmosphere of protecting our own.

There are countless examples of that down the years.

Agree, it’s probably a function of the work.   Having to rely on each other, being attacked etc etc. 

[Arniepie]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes, the money is rubbish. Shift work fucks you up and takes years off your life (there’s a thread on it here somewhere), working with the dregs of society is shit, they aren’t trained to deal with lots of the mental health jobs they have to deal with. Etc etc. 

Dont they start off on something like 27k?

Lots of people do shift work

But its certainly not a job id wanna do...certainly not a normal plod

 

Saying that I reckon working in the drug squad would be boss.

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Dont they start off on something like 27k?

Lots of people do shift work

But its certainly not a job id wanna do...certainly not a normal plod

 

Saying that I reckon working in the drug squad would be boss.

So a graduate job, with all that comes with it, shit money.  The fact other people do shift work doesn’t mean shift work isn’t shit.  It literally takes years off your life.  
 

 

[elvis]

12 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Great bunch of lads

Fucking disgusting , bullying little shithouses.

[Bjornebye]

Not all police are cunts. Some are, without a doubt and they get far more attention than the majority who aren't. Training needs improving, particularly in diffusion not the physical side. 

[Mudface]

Fucking austerity. It was mentioned in a C4 report the other week, that the civil nuclear police were accepting all sorts of dross who wanted firearms training and a route into the police proper.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/07/austerity-hit-police-ability-tackle-violence-against-women-say-ex-officers

 

Austerity hit police’s ability to tackle violence against women, say ex-officers
Former senior figures call for ‘Stephen Lawrence moment’ to overhaul forces in England and Wales

 

Systematic underfunding of the police in England and Wales during 10 years of austerity “severely diminished” officers’ ability to recognise and target criminals who attack women and girls, according to former senior police figures.

They called for a “Stephen Lawrence moment” of transformation in the service and a full judge-led inquiry to restore faith in policing.

Dal Babu, a former chief superintendent with the Metropolitan police who retired in 2013, said more than a decade of austerity had dealt “a massive body blow” to the police and hampered their ability to tackle male violence against women and girls.

“Resources have never been pulled in such a dramatic way as they have been in the last 10 years – and people want to relinquish responsibility, but this happened on the Lib Dem watch, and the Conservative watch,” he said, referring partly to the coalition government in power from 2010 to 2015.

According to analysis by the police researcher Gavin Hales, published by the Police Foundation, after nine years of austerity in March 2019 the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales had reduced their total number of police officers by 16% (from 143,734 to 123,170), police staff by 19% (from 79,596 to 64,411) and community support officers by 42% (from 16,507 to 9,565). An estimated 400 to 600 police stations were closed or sold off.

Babu said that while an additional 20,000 police officers had been promised by the current government, civilian staff supporting officers to analyse trends and data were not getting a similar boost.

“Effectively, in the last 10 to 11 years you’ve had police officers taken off the street, poorly trained, not necessarily with the right skills, then trying to do the job of professional analysts and intelligence experts,” he said.

Betsy Stanko, an academic who worked in the Met for 11 years, setting up its social science research unit, said that while many police officers were “desperately trying to do a good job investigating violence to women”, it was time for policing to recognise the scale of the crisis and called for a publicly consulted roadmap to transform the organisation.

“The systematic underfunding of policing over the past 10 years has resulted in cuts particularly to the policing of violence against women and girls,” she said. “The specialist investigative skills identifying patterns of offending have been severely diminished through austerity. Crimes of violence against women and girls need police officers who have specialist skills and knowledge about offenders – underfunding undermines good policing and demoralises good police officers.”

Babu said the home secretary, Priti Patel, risked “tinkering around the edges” after announcing an investigation to examine why the former Met police officer Wayne Couzens, who was last week given a whole-life sentence for the murder of Sarah Everard, had not been identified as a sexually aggressive predator. He added his voice to calls for a judge-led public inquiry into wider issues of sexism and women’s access to justice.

“Shockingly, there is not a single person who I meet who does not know a woman who has been the victim of some kind of abuse. That is absolutely appalling,” he said. “We need a Stephen Lawrence moment here, where we acknowledge the way that we’re failing women and young girls. We need a proper inquiry that looks at the wider criminal justice issues and addresses how you make a real change as opposed to tinkering at the edges.”

The prime minister, Boris Johnson, has rejected calls for an immediate public inquiry.

Victor Olisa, formerly the Met’s most senior black officer and now a criminologist and lecturer, said there had been a “deafening silence” from police leaders about how they would tackle the failure to address crimes against women and girls.

“One of the significant worries about this set of incidents, with Sarah’s tragic murder being the centre of that, is the silence from the chief officers across the country,” he said.

“I’ve heard sorry, I’ve heard that Couzens let us down – but as a public institution, we haven’t heard what the police are going to do about it.”

He accused the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, of being slow to reassure the public that action was being taken, adding that the six months between Couzens’ admission of guilt and his sentencing should have been enough time to create a plan of action. The Met has announced an independent inquiry and said it would publish a strategy for tackling violence against women and girls soon.

“They need to reassure us that they’re doing something, that they have got a grip, that they have got a plan – they need to tell us they see a different future,” said Olisa.

[Bruce Spanner]

7 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Fucking austerity. It was mentioned in a C4 report the other week, that the civil nuclear police were accepting all sorts of dross who wanted firearms training and a route into the police proper.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/07/austerity-hit-police-ability-tackle-violence-against-women-say-ex-officers

 

 

 

One of the big cuts in numbers came on detective/inspector/old head level as they were the least ‘cost efficient’ meaning you removed a whole level of authority, control and experience.

 

These were not replaced and will take time to come through again if numbers are allowed to grow.

 

Secondary impact of austerity.

[Strontium]

Well people did ask to defund the police.

[Rushies tash]

26 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Well people did ask to defund the police.

Which people?

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

Which people?

 

Defund the police - Wikipedia

[Bjornebye]

Wow 

[Rushies tash]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Defund the police - Wikipedia

That's from the US.

[Strontium]

Jokes aren't funny when people make you explain them. Just a note for the future.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

Jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them. Just a note for the future.

Oh right...

[Rushies tash]

Oh, it was a joke. Ok.

[Captain Willard]

18 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Dont they start off on something like 27k?

Lots of people do shift work

But its certainly not a job id wanna do...certainly not a normal plod

 

Saying that I reckon working in the drug squad would be boss.

I worked in Liverpool in the 1990s auditing the Council. Not great money but interesting work (relative to auditing elsewhere). One of my equally badly paid colleagues was married to a junior detective in the drugs squad who’d retired at 45 and they lived in a big fuck off house on the Wirral. Never occurred to me to ask how could they afford it but with hindsight I’ve got my suspicions.