War with Iran is it imminent

[Bjornebye]

Pair of quiffs 

[Captain Turdseye]

Everyone knows it was Barack Obama what did it. 
 

[SasaS]

11 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

ISIS in Syria was funded by the US and allies though, surely?  When they were trying to help the good rebels in ousting Assad they spread around money and weapons pretty willy nilly to all sorts of groups who pretty much turned into ISIS.  Thought that was reasonably widely recognised non-fake news?

I mean, they didn't say "how can we fund and arm a crazy Islamist organisation - ah these'll do".  But they did fund and arm a crazy Islamist organisation. 

Probably 1.1 degrees of separation?

I think there were at one point something like 3.000 groups and militias fighting against Assad. It's certainly possible that some of them received guns and funding and later became part of ISIS. But saying that the UK and US funded ISIS would be like saying that the Islamist element of anti-Assad rebellion was created by Assad, because he let them all out of jail to go fight in Iraq and kept the routes for fighters to go fight the Americans open for years.

[Bjornebye]

34 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I think there were at one point something like 3.000 groups and militias fighting against Assad. It's certainly possible that some of them received guns and funding and later became part of ISIS. But saying that the UK and US funded ISIS would be like saying that the Islamist element of anti-Assad rebellion was created by Assad, because he let them all out of jail to go fight in Iraq and kept the routes for fighters to go fight the Americans open for years.

But they did. 

[TheHowieLama]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

But they did. 

By that logic the US and the UK have "funded" every military operation in the world since WW2.

[SasaS]

And Toyota Fleet Management gave them a great deal on Hilux pickups.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

By that logic the US and the UK have "funded" every military operation in the world since WW2.

They probably have. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

And Toyota Fleet Management gave them a great deal on Hilux pickups.

You wanna play blind man, go walk with the shepherd, but me, my eyes are widefuckin' open. 

 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

15 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

By that logic the US and the UK have "funded" every military operation in the world since WW2.

Glad to have you on board.

[Strontium]

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

Yep, loony conspiracy nonsense. 

 

 

Or.... maybe.... just maybe..... you are a narrow minded fucking idiot. 

[Strontium]

We should be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains fall out.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

We should be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains fall out.

Or shot out. 

 

Are you saying that you don't believe that the UK and US funded ISIS at all? 

[Strontium]

I think I'd like to see evidence that supported such a claim.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I think I'd like to see evidence that supported such a claim.

You've got google. The facts are out there. I know you struggle with them when it doesn't suit you but the fact is that the US and UK committed funds and weapons that helped support the rise of ISIS. A bit like the US funding and supporting the Taliban in the 80's. 

[Strontium]

I have Google, and so do you. You're the one making the claim, so the onus is on you to support it.

 

It's a matter of public record that the US (among others) funded and trained the mujahideen from which the Taliban emerged, there is a mound of evidence and nobody disputes it. So you would think that if the same were true with regard to Isis, there would be something out there to corroborate it.

[Bjornebye]

25 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I have Google, and so do you. You're the one making the claim, so the onus is on you to support it.

 

It's a matter of public record that the US (among others) funded and trained the mujahideen from which the Taliban emerged, there is a mound of evidence and nobody disputes it. So you would think that if the same were true with regard to Isis, there would be something out there to corroborate it.

I don’t have to do a thing. In so much as you don't have to and certainly haven’t provided a shred of evidence to say I am wrong. 
 

Its pointless with you anyway. Every time me or someone else proves something you ignore it completely and don’t respond because you are completely incapable of ever admitting when you are wrong. 

[Strontium]

Even ignoring the fact that the onus is ALWAYS on the person making a claim to support it, how on earth am I supposed to prove that you are wrong?

 

If I'm ever wrong, I'll happily admit it. I dare say it has to happen eventually, in an infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of typewriters way.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Anyone remember that ad that used to say buying  pirated DVDs funds terrorism? Simpler times.

[TheHowieLama]

Russia had to do a little "funding" don't you think.

China may have as well.

[TheHowieLama]

22 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Anyone remember that ad that used to say buying  pirated DVDs funds terrorism? Simpler times.

Now its pirated kidneys. 

[Mendoza]

 

[Bjornebye]

27 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Even ignoring the fact that the onus is ALWAYS on the person making a claim to support it, how on earth am I supposed to prove that you are wrong?

 

If I'm ever wrong, I'll happily admit it. I dare say it has to happen eventually, in an infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of typewriters way.

Racist 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

You've got google. The facts are out there. I know you struggle with them when it doesn't suit you but the fact is that the US and UK committed funds and weapons that helped support the rise of ISIS. A bit like the US funding and supporting the Taliban in the 80's. 

The Taliban didn't exist in the 80s.

[aws]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I have Google, and so do you. You're the one making the claim, so the onus is on you to support it.

 

It's a matter of public record that the US (among others) funded and trained the mujahideen from which the Taliban emerged, there is a mound of evidence and nobody disputes it. So you would think that if the same were true with regard to Isis, there would be something out there to corroborate it.

The US did fund and arm some of the jihadi groups like Al Nusrah and HTS in Idlib in the belief that they were just "rebels" against Assad but I believe the funds have petered out now as the penny has slowly dropped that a lot of these groups were just Al Qaida under another name. Doubtless some of the money and weapons found their way (probably via Turkey) to ISIS but I've not seen any credible evidence that any Western power (unless you include Turkey in that term) has intentionally or directly funded or armed ISIS.