War with Iran is it imminent

[Aventus]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

"Video verified by The New York Times appears to show an Iranian missile hitting a plane near Tehran’s airport".

 

This isn't having a go at you or trying to be "pro-Iran" or whatever, but just from experience in the past, when an outlet says something or someone "appears" to do or show something it's often been them seeing if they can get away with some bullshit.

 

And wasn't the plane on fire as well when it landed? There's no way I'd blindly believe that anyway. I'm not disputing that Iran actually shot a plane down or that it could have been someone else, but I don't trust outlets like the NYT (who've supported pretty much every US coup and act of war down through the years I think) at all in situations like this. The sound of that as well, how a plane could've carried on flying after impact like that I have no idea.

Saying its been verified seems to be an oxymoron. 

 

How do you verify that something appears to be real?

I thought the point of verification was to establish the truth. 

[SasaS]

I think they mean they verified that the guy selling them the video lives in Tehran and shot it there.

[Dougie Do'ins]

BBC News - Iran plane crash: Tehran rebuffs claims it shot down Ukrainian jet

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51062369

[Spy Bee]

One thing I found strange was that Trump came out and suggested it might have been a mistake. Why would he make allowances for Iran, if indeed it was Iran who made the mistake?

[Red Phoenix]

27 minutes ago, Aventus said:

Saying its been verified seems to be an oxymoron. 

 

How do you verify that something appears to be real?

I thought the point of verification was to establish the truth. 

 

Same as what SasaS said, was taking it as they'd verified one or more of person, location, date, time or something. If they've only verified the guy though and not any of the other info, then metadata in the actual video should be able to confirm the rest? Seriously shoddy if they could've done that and haven't, but maybe they did.

[M_B]

CBS News senior foreign correspondent Elizabeth Palmer was able Friday to briefly view the site in Tehran where the Ukrainian plane crashed two days earlier, before Iranian security officials compelled her team to leave. She said very little debris was left from the early Wednesday morning crash and there were people — not officials but apparent scavengers — poring over the scene looking for pieces to take away. 

 

Ukrainian investigators had not yet visited the site as of noon on Friday (3:30 a.m. Eastern).

Witnesses told Palmer they saw a truck and heavy equipment come on Thursday and take away most of the wreckage. Iran has not said where the wreckage was taken.

Palmer and her team said the crash site was large and they were only able to view one part of it, but after they visited the scene a witness told them larger pieces of the jet's fuselage and nose had been removed. The witness said removal of both the wreckage and bodies of the victims began the day of the crash. 

 

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

One thing I found strange was that Trump came out and suggested it might have been a mistake. Why would he make allowances for Iran, if indeed it was Iran who made the mistake?

 

Maybe downplaying what he can now because I don't think he wants war in his election year, despite what others might say. I don't think he's wanted war at all, that's why Venezuela didn't get attacked and so on, and why Syria only had limited bombings and not a full on campaign. He seems to push it as far as he can then if nothing inside the country (coup or whatever) takes place then he backs off. He's an absolute cunt who's still caused death and suffering all over the place with the other methods but an actual open war is what he doesn't seem to want. It was one of his main points getting elected iirc (giving others shit for regime change wars and saying he wouldn't do the same), so maybe he wants to stick to it seeing as the term is in its last year.

 

Fucking bizarre though that someone as bad as he is avoids the one thing that so many others have just gone on and done. He's still got the rest of this year though so maybe he'll join the rest of the gang before it's done.

[M_B]

He can't declare war without congressional support.

[Red Phoenix]

20 minutes ago, M_B said:

He can't declare war without congressional support.

 

He can start a war like so many others have done then congress can bring it to an end I think. They don't have the ability to stop it from starting though if he wants to do that, as much as that sucks. He has to submit a report within 48 hours of starting then has to stop within 60 days unless congress allows it to go on further (from the War Powers Resolution.)

[SasaS]

31 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

One thing I found strange was that Trump came out and suggested it might have been a mistake. Why would he make allowances for Iran, if indeed it was Iran who made the mistake?

Because he has won, if there is no further escalation, so he can be magnanimous. He has taken out there main foreign operative and they have backed down. Iran's response has been largely symbolic so far and they have shot themselves in the foot in a major way twice (if the plane reports are true).

[Bjornebye]

33 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Because he has won, if there is no further escalation, so he can be magnanimous. He has taken out there main foreign operative and they have backed down. Iran's response has been largely symbolic so far and they have shot themselves in the foot in a major way twice (if the plane reports are true).

*their

 

 

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

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Ukraine’s foreign minister, Vadym Prystaiko, has said on Twitter that he and the Ukrainian president have met with US embassy officials and obtained “important data” about the plane crash.

Prystaiko gave no further details but said the data would be “processed by our specialists”.

 

 

Iran guilty then.

[SasaS]

55 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

*their

 

 

 

Yes, thunk yuo.

[Qwikage]

[rubble-rouser]

11 hours ago, skaro said:

 

 

There's nothing wrong with Iran though, other than America.  

 

 

 

Unless you like dancing, homosexuality or the ability to choose how you look.

 

US policy on Iran is fucked up, and there is a hell of a lot to be said for the country and its people, but the ruling clique and their religious overlords are fucking horrible.

[s(k)aturation]

1 minute ago, rubble-rouser said:

Unless you like dancing, homosexuality or the ability to choose how you look.

 

US policy on Iran is fucked up, and there is a hell of a lot to be said for the country and its people, but the ruling clique and their religious overlords are fucking horrible.

 

There was not nearly enough substantive irony in my words.  Apologies, RR.

 

 

[Dr Nowt]

6 minutes ago, rubble-rouser said:

Unless you like dancing, homosexuality or the ability to choose how you look.

* Remembers a swaying, mime rendition of Disco 2000 for the full house.

[Jairzinho]

10 minutes ago, rubble-rouser said:

Unless you like dancing, homosexuality or the ability to choose how you look.

 

So, homosexuality then.

[SasaS]

Iran did some good things. There was 91 lashes for Iranian makers of that Happy video, for example.

[TheHowieLama]

20 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

So, homosexuality then.

Yep, you get to choose one.

[s(k)aturation]

23 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

So, homosexuality then.

 

Ah, but you see, disapproval of homosexuality in Iran is austere, reverent, devout and well-intentioned - just like cutting girls clits off.

 

Whereas, in the US, it's just a bunch of right wing, bible belt homophobes that disapprove.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

All very confusing this. Who are the baddies and who are the goodies?

[s(k)aturation]

21 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

All very confusing this. Who are the baddies and who are the goodies?

 

See:  Marx; opium; people

 

Or something.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

21 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

All very confusing this. Who are the baddies and who are the goodies?

I think it's just baddies versus baddies.

[s(k)aturation]

 

... which is much more fun.