War with Iran is it imminent

[Davelfc]

2 minutes ago, Stouffer said:

The planes would all sink, Shirley?

Have they bought the planes for it yet, if so they're probably wooden models.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Mate, The Royal Navy has some of the best and most advanced warships and equipment in the world. But they are maintained with spit and blu-tac. I couldn't believe some of the stuff I saw living on a warship ........ )

 

Proper piss-take considering the money ploughed into defence. 

 

They've just announced that Service Personal will get a pay rise, the highest that they've had in donkeys years. Coincidence? 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I bet Boris is gutted that he's not quite PM yet. 

[Davelfc]

1 minute ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Think again, due to cut backs they have fitted it out with these. 

 

I've done customs checks on one of them, fucking loads of places they could hide stash. The pilot went through them all for me. Lovely aircraft. 

[Davelfc]

Mesdar tanker was stopped, now allowed to continue on its way apparently. Back down to one of our tankers is missing. 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

They've just announced that Service Personal will get a pay rise, the highest that they've had in donkeys years. Coincidence? 

Nope. Never a coincidence. Oh and they know a General Election is on the horizon. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Wait until the Orange buffoon wakes up from his afternoon nap. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Nope. Never a coincidence. Oh and they know a General Election is on the horizon. 

Yep, Police and Fire service all up for a pay rise as well. I obviously still have a few mates/sons of mates in the services and they were suddenly stood down from possible policing of streets due to problems arriving from Brexit. Bet that will change again come October. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Maybe involving court, judgments etc?  Rather than say, piracy. 

Presumably the Iranians are claiming that they've followed the correct arrest procedures. 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Presumably the Iranians are claiming that they've followed the correct arrest procedures. 

Presuming heh? Awfully good of you.  But no, there’s zero evidence. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

There's also no evidence that they haven't. 

[TheHowieLama]

The Revolutionary Guards said they had seized the Stena Impero, citing international maritime law for their actions. Iran Front Page quoted an unnamed military source as saying the tanker had been “crossing a route other than the shipping lane in the strait of Hormuz, had switched off its transponders and did not pay any attention to Iran’s warnings when it was seized by the [Revolutionary Guard] forces”.

Iran had been complaining bitterly about the detention by UK forces of an Iranian tanker two weeks ago off Gibraltar.

 

The seizure of the tankers came just hours after authorities in Gibraltar announced their were extending their custody of the Iranian tanker, the Grace 1, suspected of shipping oil to Syria.

 

 

 

Shouldn't be too difficult to see satellite images of what that route was and where they were when the transponder went off. 

[Captain Turdseye]

The Donald is front and centre in this story on the ITV news. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

6 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

The Donald is front and centre in this story on the ITV news. 

What's that fuck ferret had to say, John? I'm listening to vibes at the moment. 

[Captain Turdseye]

Just now, Pistonbroke said:

What's that fuck ferret had to say, John? I'm listening to vibes at the moment. 

 

“We’ll work with the UK, they’ve been a great ally and they’re getting a new prime minister soon which is a good thing”

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

 

“We’ll work with the UK, they’ve been a great ally and they’re getting a new prime minister soon which is a good thing”

Hahahaha. I noticed earlier that trump was lauding, BJ. Coincidence?  Partners in crime. I reckon Theresa agreed to hold hands, but refused to suck his cock.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Presuming heh? Awfully good of you.  But no, there’s zero evidence. 

There's no evidence of piracy, either.

 

Try re-reading my post and see if you understand what this one says second time around, too. 

Like you, I've got no idea of the legality or otherwise of Iran's actions: neither of us know enough either about international maritime law or the events in this instance to make that call.  I just think that when our media post snippets of quotes from the Iranians claiming that the ship was breaking the rules, that the implication is "... in which case our actions were legally justified".

[skend04]

9 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

Yep, Police and Fire service all up for a pay rise as well. I obviously still have a few mates/sons of mates in the services and they were suddenly stood down from possible policing of streets due to problems arriving from Brexit. Bet that will change again come October. 

It's all from existing budgets. So they'll all get a pay rise and then realise there's no money for big rolls and handwash. The resolve to police post-Brexit Britain let alone have a fisticuffs with Iran won't last beyond the first toilet break.

[Rico1304]

9 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

There's also no evidence that they haven't. 

Did you really say that? 

[Rico1304]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

There's no evidence of piracy, either.

 

Try re-reading my post and see if you understand what this one says second time around, too. 

Like you, I've got no idea of the legality or otherwise of Iran's actions: neither of us know enough either about international maritime law or the events in this instance to make that call.  I just think that when our media post snippets of quotes from the Iranians claiming that the ship was breaking the rules, that the implication is "... in which case our actions were legally justified".

It was in international waters. They have no right to take it.  It was tracked all the way.  

 

Apparently a shipping expert was on BBC news at 8:10 this morning explaining it.  I’ve not seen it but should be on iplayer today. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

It was in international waters. They have no right to take it.  It was tracked all the way.  

 

Apparently a shipping expert was on BBC news at 8:10 this morning explaining it.  I’ve not seen it but should be on iplayer today. 

I'm not questioning whether or not the ship had broken any laws, (I'm not even sure which laws Iran claimed it broke)  I'm questioning your assertion that the Iranians would have no right to seize a ship in the event that it had broken laws.  If the seizure of the Grace 1 off Gibraltar a few days ago wasn’t piracy, then it seems that those sort of actions are, in some circumstances, legal.

[Anubis]

The second ship was stopped, issued with an environmental compliance notice, and sent on its way.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'm not questioning whether or not the ship had broken any laws, (I'm not even sure which laws Iran claimed it broke)  I'm questioning your assertion that the Iranians would have no right to seize a ship in the event that it had broken laws.  If the seizure of the Grace 1 off Gibraltar a few days ago wasn’t piracy, then it seems that those sort of actions are, in some circumstances, legal.

The Grace was in EU waters and suspected of breaking EU sanctions. 

 

But you knew that. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

The Grace was in EU waters and suspected of breaking EU sanctions. 

 

But you knew that. 

 

You basically said that seizing a ship you believe is breaking the law is an act of piracy. The case of the Grace 1 suggests that you're wrong.

 

Do you know which laws Iran has accused the ship of breaking? BBC Breakfast mentioned something about failing to stop and provide assistance after an alleged collision with an Iranian fishing vessel. In those circumstances, is it relevant whether or not it's in international waters?

[sir roger]

I have no idea about the rights and wrongs about either situation , not being a maritime legal expert , but the immediate acceptance that we are completely in the right ( not pushed into it by the US , honest guv) whereas they are dirty foreign pirates may give a snapshot of where the Brexit vote came from.