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3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Well the fascist fucks are finally going and doing it, I'm sure it's with our general health in mind. Time for me to get a water distiller shortly.

Preventing tooth decay is, of course, one of the central tenets of Fascism.

 

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Not sure where you're getting your info. 

The NHS 

21 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 I can remember reading about how toxic that crap is though and how much there was about the potential damage it can cause over time. 

Not sure where you're getting your info.

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43 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Christ. So much for informed consent.

The "informed" part is the tricky bit. You give people facts about public health and noisy liars and attention-seekers will convince a fair few people of the opposite.

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7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

I thought I'd check for amusement to see where the first place was to fluoridate and when the US first brought Nazi scientists over from Germany as part of Operation Paperclip. Turns out I got lucky and it was the US in the same year Paperclip started. Good old coincidences.

 

As for your other stuff in the next post I'll reply soon. Some of it is further back in this thread from years ago but I've no idea how good the sources are. Will try and check.

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When you say "Nazi scientists" are you referring to the aerospace and military engineers who were enlisted for the war effort against Japan in 1945, before being relocated to the US the following year, or was the US Government's top priority to fly Nazi dentists to Michigan to help the fluoridation scheme that the Grand Rapids city council had approved in 1944 and put into effect in January 1945?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/oct/06/critics-water-fluoridation/truth-about-fluoride-doesnt-include-nazi-myth/

 

https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/01/look_ma_no_cavities_wired_repo.html

 

 

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4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

When you say "Nazi scientists" are you referring to the aerospace and military engineers who were enlisted for the war effort against Japan in 1945, before being relocated to the US the following year, or was the US Government's top priority to fly Nazi dentists to Michigan to help the fluoridation scheme that the Grand Rapids city council had approved in 1944 and put into effect in January 1945?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/oct/06/critics-water-fluoridation/truth-about-fluoride-doesnt-include-nazi-myth/

 

https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/01/look_ma_no_cavities_wired_repo.html

 

 

 

I think you might have missed the "for amusement" bit, I literally checked out of humour after seeing you say Nazis, didn't actually think one of Paperclip's end games was fluoridating water. Fluoridation history (the research of it) predates that by decades anyway.

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58 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I can't remember how different countries compare from last looking at this, I can remember reading about how toxic that crap is though and how much there was about the potential damage it can cause over time. With some luck there'll be a good amount of resistance to it that'll either make them change their minds or local councils will be able to block it in as many places as possible.

 

One of the most mind-blowing facts I ever heard about fluoride is that the human body actively filters it out of breast milk. It's such a "benign" mineral that we have evolved ways of preventing children from being exposed to it.

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39 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Preventing tooth decay is, of course, one of the central tenets of Fascism.

 

Well mass medicating the population without consent is kind of fascist if you ask me. Not that democratic really.

 

This is an extract on fluoridation from the history department of Ohio State Univerisity, it's written by a professor of history and environmental studies, so maybe just another mad tinfoil, but maybe not too :

 



The practice of adding fluoride compounds (mostly FSA and occasionally sodium fluoride) to drinking water is known as community water fluoridation. It has been a mainstay of American public health policy since 1950 and continues to enjoy the support of government health agencies, dentists, and numerous others in the medical and scientific community.

As with many chemical additives in the modern world, however, few people know much about it.

Many are surprised to learn that unlike the pharmaceutical grade fluoride in their toothpaste, the fluoride in their water is an untreated industrial waste product, one that contains trace elements of arsenic and lead. Without the phosphate industry’s effluent, water fluoridation would be prohibitively expensive. And without fluoridation, the phosphate industry would be stuck with an expensive waste disposal problem.

Only a handful of countries fluoridate their water—such as Australia, Ireland, Singapore, and Brazil, in addition to the United States. Western European nations have largely rejected the practice. Nonetheless, dental decay in Western Europe has declined at the same rate as in the United States over the past half century. In fact, the more one looks at the history of fluoridation, the more it appears to be a relic of the sort of mid-20th century scientific incaution that gave us DDT, thalidomide, and other attempts at “better living through chemistry.”

This is not to vilify the early fluoridationists, who had legitimate reason to believe that they had found an easy and affordable way to counter a significant public health problem. However, the arguments and data used to justify fluoridation in the mid-20th century—as well as the fierce commitment to the practice—remain largely unchanged, failing to take into account a shifting environmental context that may well have rendered it unnecessary or worse.

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Non-fluoridating nations such as Sweden and France have shown that it is possible to reduce dental caries without having to engage in a practice with which a substantial proportion of the population has always felt uneasy.

No doubt those countries owe a debt to people such as McKay and Dean for demonstrating a link between fluoride and dental caries. However, it is now clear that the benefits of fluoride are primarily topical. Thus fluoridated toothpaste, rather than drinking water, has in all likelihood been the greatest contributor to fighting cavities, along with improvements in diet and overall dental health.

In fact, communities that have stopped fluoridation have not experienced an increase in dental caries. Furthermore, dental health in regions which have never fluoridated their water is not significantly different from fluoridated regions. In Canada, for example, non-fluoridated British Columbians actually have fewer cavities than fluoridated Ontarians.

One result of the long-term argument is that the fluoridationists, who are understandably frustrated by the worst excesses of the anti-fluoridationists, treat fluoridation like a sacred cause to be defended at all cost. As a result, they cling to an ahistorical view that ignores the context in which fluoridation was initially promoted and the ecological and scientific changes that have occurred since.

One can accept that fluoridation was a defendable public health measure in the mid-20th century. Tooth decay was a serious problem, and it was arguably worth taking some risks in order to tackle it. However, the continued insistence among public health authorities and dentists that community water fluoridation remains essential to good dental health is incommensurate with evidence for its effectiveness, as well as downplaying the harm of fluorosis and other problems.

In all likelihood, the only significant problem that would arise from an end to fluoridation is that the Florida phosphate industry would have to find a different way—no doubt one more expensive and less convenient—to dispose of its toxic waste.

 

https://origins.osu.edu/article/toxic-treatment-fluorides-transformation-industrial-waste-public-health-miracle/page/0/0

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Just a few weeks after the first Nazi scientists arrived in the US under Operation Paperclip, the Detroit Tigers beat the Chicago Cubs to win the World Series. Good old coincidences.

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4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

One of the most mind-blowing facts I ever heard about fluoride is that the human body actively filters it out of breast milk. It's such a "benign" mineral that we have evolved ways of preventing children from being exposed to it.

 

Haha never knew that. Now it looks like we're devolving to make sure they get a dose via the water supply to make up for it, crazy.

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1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Just a few weeks after the first Nazi scientists arrived in the US under Operation Paperclip, the Detroit Tigers beat the Chicago Cubs to win the World Series. Good old coincidences.

 

Maybe I should've made it more obvious I was joking.

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Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's late and I'm tired.

 

Yep same, I was just going to say that maybe I was trolling a bit too out of tiredness.

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20 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Haha never knew that. Now it looks like we're devolving to make sure they get a dose via the water supply to make up for it, crazy.

 

The key here is that whether you believe fluoride provides any benefit to teeth or not (and the evidence for it is extremely weak), the idea that the best way of distributing medicine is to put it in the water supply is... insane. Just complete and utter madness.

 

I read that 31% of adults have tooth decay in this country, which is in the same ballpark as the proportion of adults who have mental health issues. Now imagine that someone proposed adding Prozac to water. The men in white coats would be after them.

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4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Not sure where you're getting your info. South of the Humber maybe? North of it there's Hull and East Riding where I am, and here's from 3 years ago :

NHS

 

Or you can read this report https://bfsweb.org/fluoridation-in-the-uk/

 

I'm sure you'll excuse the source given I'm not using it to say there are no negatives purely where the are/have run.

 

It gives you a more detailed breakdown of the areas but I obviously can't vouch of the accuracy.

 

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I think we all know that breast milk, and colostrum in particular, is a ploy by big Pharma to vaccinate newborns using the mother as a delivery system and shouldn't be trusted.

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2 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The key here is that whether you believe fluoride provides any benefit to teeth or not (and the evidence for it is extremely weak), the idea that the best way of distributing medicine is to put it in the water supply is... insane. Just complete and utter madness.

 

I read that 31% of adults have tooth decay in this country, which is in the same ballpark as the proportion of adults who have mental health issues. Now imagine that someone proposed adding Prozac to water. The men in white coats would be after them.

Hmm. Yeah. I'm not a medical expert, so I'll be happy to see evidence to the contrary, but I'd guess the risks associated with Prozac are greater than those associated with fluoride.

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3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Haha never knew that. Now it looks like we're devolving to make sure they get a dose via the water supply to make up for it, crazy.

Just don’t drink tap water and drink breast milk instead. Easy.

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7 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Wasn’t fluoride added to water years ago? I’m sure it was when I was a kid. I remember my dentist telling me the worst thing they ever did was stop putting fluoride in water. 

Your dentist was clearly a Big Water shill

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50 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Wasn’t fluoride added to water years ago? I’m sure it was when I was a kid. I remember my dentist telling me the worst thing they ever did was stop putting fluoride in water. 


Yep, they added it a few years back, or rather local authorities were allowed to if they wanted.

 

There have been studies showing increased fluoride ingestion causing brain impairment.

 

So, something literally in the water as the UK loses its collective shit, I’m sure the two are entirely coincidental… 

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5 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The key here is that whether you believe fluoride provides any benefit to teeth or not (and the evidence for it is extremely weak), the idea that the best way of distributing medicine is to put it in the water supply is... insane. Just complete and utter madness.

 

I read that 31% of adults have tooth decay in this country, which is in the same ballpark as the proportion of adults who have mental health issues. Now imagine that someone proposed adding Prozac to water. The men in white coats would be after them.

 

Yeah I find it completely crazy for those reasons too, and am wondering now if there's a few Tories that are getting some extra cash from those wanting to dump their waste easily. One way of really causing a backlash from this would be for some people/groups to actually track down the source of where this fluoride is coming from then see what the public think about that.

 

I quickly looked at the reponses to some people posting about this on twitter and found this too, looks like we have more than just fluoride that's a problem. Looking forward to getting a water distiller now whether it's allowed by the local council here to add fluoride or not : UK ‘flying blind’ on levels of toxic chemicals in tap water

 

3 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

NHS

 

Or you can read this report https://bfsweb.org/fluoridation-in-the-uk/

 

I'm sure you'll excuse the source given I'm not using it to say there are no negatives purely where the are/have run.

 

It gives you a more detailed breakdown of the areas but I obviously can't vouch of the accuracy.

 

 

After seeing a few maps for this it looks like they're talking about South Humberside, there's a big area there that already has it in their water.

 

2 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

Just don’t drink tap water and drink breast milk instead. Easy.

 

I've been using organic milk for a while now so I'll stick with the cow version, although I'm sure that has its own issues as well. Scientists of the future are probably going to be amazed at how much crap we let into our bodies, hopefully it's a very close future so we can start working on it quickly.

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5 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Hmm. Yeah. I'm not a medical expert, so I'll be happy to see evidence to the contrary, but I'd guess the risks associated with Prozac are greater than those associated with fluoride.

 

As ever, it depends on the dose.

 

God help you if they put too much in the water by accident, which has happened numerous times. 

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