The Stone Roses

[Sugar Ape]

Not seen AC/DC live, I love getting the Bon Scott stuff out on dvd when I'm pished though.

 

I'm half cut so I'll just do a top 5, which might change tomorrow...

 

1) Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin

2) Birds of Fire - Mahavishnu Orchestra

3) Velociraptor - Kasabian

4) White Album - The Beatles

5) A Love Supreme - John Coltrane

 

Doing a top 5 is a nightmare.

I knew it.

[Bjornebye]

I knew it.

 

Took me 12 seconds. Funny cunt

[Mook]

I've run out of rep, pissed myself when I clocked that.

 

Literally.

[Byrnie]

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

Led Zep - IV

Ac/dc - Back in Black

Beatles - White Album

Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

 

 

I'm a bit pissed too, I could do a top 5 and have 5 different albums every time.

[Byrnie]

Have you seen them live mate? I saw them in Birmingham on the black ice tour. Unreal.

 

Whats your top 5 british, and then world. Genuinely interested how close to the top oasis will be in both of your lists.

Seen them in Dublin on that tour too. Almost blew the roof off the place. Fucking unreal. I was knackered leaving that concert. Whole place was like a mosh pit from start to finish.

[Kemlyn King]

The Magical World Of The Strands is better than Waterpistol.

I agree but Waterpistol is nearer in style and time to the Roses and Oasis debuts.

[Total Longo]

 

Every band in the last 50 years has got their inspiration from others. They don't sound just like Slade, or The Beatles for that matter. It's a nonsense. You could equally say the Stone Roses ripped off a lot from the Smiths.

 

Here's musical innovators Radiohead ripping off the Beatles for one of their biggest hits. Never seems to be an issue with them, though.

 

 

 

The only things that The Smiths and The Roses have in common is they are both from Manchester and have a vocals/guitar/bass/drums line up. Musically they are very dissimilar. As much as i love The Roses they are hardly an original sound, whereas The Smiths sounded like nobody before them.

 

Also, in regards to that Radiohead comparison, in my opinion Karma Police sounds very little like Sexy Sadie. A better "Radiohead rip off" would be Creep and The Air That i Breathe by The Hollies, who i think they ended up giving a co-writing credit to. 

[Total Longo]

Not seen AC/DC live, I love getting the Bon Scott stuff out on dvd when I'm pished though.

 

I'm half cut so I'll just do a top 5, which might change tomorrow...

 

1) Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin

2) Birds of Fire - Mahavishnu Orchestra

3) Red - King Crimson

4) White Album - The Beatles

5) A Love Supreme - John Coltrane

 

Doing a top 5 is a nightmare.

 

 

The White Album is 80% genius and 20% garbage. That's the sole reason why it wouldn't be my favourite Beatles album. I'd say Physical Graffiti is similar.

 

I tend to have a bit of a problem with double albums, i cannot think of one that wouldn't have been better with a bit of editing down to a single disc. 

[Sugar Ape]

The only things that The Smiths and The Roses have in common is they are both from Manchester and have a vocals/guitar/bass/drums line up. Musically they are very dissimilar. As much as i love The Roses they are hardly an original sound, whereas The Smiths sounded like nobody before them.

 

Also, in regards to that Radiohead comparison, in my opinion Karma Police sounds very little like Sexy Sadie. A better "Radiohead rip off" would be Creep and The Air That i Breathe by The Hollies, who i think they ended up giving a co-writing credit to.

I think I disagree with just about everything you've wrote there mate, except for the fact that Radiohead have ripped off other bands as well. Whether the Smiths sounded like anyone before them has nothing to do with what I've said, I've read Ian Brown and John Squire both saying they are influenced by them and I think you can hear it in the music.

 

Karma Polis has clearly robbed the chords from Sexy Sadie as well. I don't know how you could think otherwise to be honest. I'm pretty sure I've heard Noel Gallagher mention it before, it even says it on their own Wikipedia page for the song.

[Total Longo]

I did say in my opinion it doesn't sound like Sexy Sadie. If you think it does, then sound. 

 

I definitely cannot hear The Smiths in The Stone Roses music. Again, my opinion. The Roses were a goth band in the mid 80's, then in 88 magically embraced a combination of West Coast psychedelia, The Beatles and funk.  

[Mook]

I think The Stone Roses had quite probably been listening to Primal Scream (Velocity Girl in particular) prior to their change of direction.

[cloggypop]

I think the Roses, Primal Scream and The Smiths all own a few Byrds albums myself.

[Mook]

If you listen to The Bomber by The James Gang, John Squire had certainly been listening to that as well, a lot. Another song on the same LP has a lyric about 'stone roses' on it as well,

[Total Longo]

Can we at least all agree that Kasabian and Beady Eye are absolute diarrhoea?

[The Golden Eel]

The Smiths are #1 of the British bands, I think I could settle on that without any argument. 

[cloggypop]

I think The Stone Roses had quite probably been listening to Primal Scream (Velocity Girl in particular) prior to their change of direction.

Velocity Girl needs to be in the best B side thread.

 

And the great songs under 3 minutes one.

[Adebisi]

I couldn't put mine in order but my top ten would be something like..

The Queen is Dead - The Smiths
Station or Station - David Bowie
Suede - Suede
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Pink Flag - Wire
Kid A - Radiohead
Searching for the Young Soul Rebels - Dexyys Midnight Runners
Common People - Pulp
Mclusky Do Dallas - Mclusky
Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd

Magical Mystery Tour is my favourite from the Beatles and would be on there over Mclusky but as it wasn't released as an album over here I decided to leave it out.

[Bjornebye]

You mean Different Class - Pulp. That is a fucking great album.

[Adebisi]

Aye, had a brain fart there! Absolute classic though. Not a bad track on there.

It's also Station TO Station by Bowie. Not with it today.

[Boss]

Beatles - White Album

The Clash - London Calling

Black Sabbath - Paranoid

The Verve - Urban Hymns

Pink Floyd - Piper at the gates of dawn

The La's - The La's

Rolling Stones - Exile on main Street

David Bowie - The rise and fall of Ziggy Stardust

Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

PJ Harvey - Songs from the city. songs from the sea

[General Dryness]

Much prefer the Roses to Oasis myself, but to me they're from two different eras. Definitely wouldn't downplay the contribution of either.

 

The way I always see it, The Stone Roses were kind of the last gasp of the 80's. Then music went a bit weird through the early nineties, America had the whole grunge thing, and british music didn't know what it wanted to be. Lot of dance acts went mainstream i.e. Shamen, Prodigy.

 

Then Oasis brought the whole guitar thing back and kicked off Britpop along with the likes of Suede and Blur.

[Raymond Duck]

The Magical World Of The Strands is better than Waterpistol.

I love that album. The corner of Miles and Gil is my fave Shack one.

[Raymond Duck]

The only things that The Smiths and The Roses have in common is they are both from Manchester and have a vocals/guitar/bass/drums line up. Musically they are very dissimilar. As much as i love The Roses they are hardly an original sound, whereas The Smiths sounded like nobody before them.

 

Also, in regards to that Radiohead comparison, in my opinion Karma Police sounds very little like Sexy Sadie. A better "Radiohead rip off" would be Creep and The Air That i Breathe by The Hollies, who i think they ended up giving a co-writing credit to.

The similarities between The Killing Moon and My Iron Lung are obvious.

[Total Longo]

Are they? 

[cloggypop]

It sounds more like Siouxsie & The Banshees version of Dear Prudence to me.