England v South Africa

[sir roger]

Thanks mate.

 

Think I'm tending to side with Moores over this, Pietersen appears to be a megalomaniac who wants the captain to run the whole show. And Moores getting Mushtaq in as spin bowling coach was a good thing surely?

 

Nightmare though, as he is still one of our best players. And 6 months before the Ashes. What a fuck up. Makes the Aussie loss of Brett Lee for 5 months seem a bit irrelevant now.

 

Disagree Wiiksie

 

The captain must always be the main man in cricket & it has only been since what Atherton calls ' The cult of the coach' in the last 10 years that this has become a problem.

 

It is totally different to the likes of football where the captain is basically a sergeant major figure with very little tactical input. In Test cricket the captain is in charge in a game lasting @ 30 hours making tactical decision off the cuff almost constantly. He needs to be totally happy with his team and tactics & if the coach & himself are considered equal it is similar to the Evans/Houllier system and will never work.

 

Most of the all time greats in any sport have massive egos , and basically we had a choice of backing a player who could one day be considered as an all-time top5 test batsman candidate , or an out of his depth , cheap option , provincial no-account coach who had minor success by using happy-clappy , siege mentality tactics in the poorest county championship era of all time.

 

Once they were aware of the extent of the problems , the ECB , armed with Moores' crap test record should have axed him & not waited for the problem to burst in public.

 

Hugh Morris / Fred Karno - never seen in the same room.

[Catch22]

Duncan Fletcher was the best coach out there & produced Eng's best results in a generation, including beating 1 of the greatest teams of all time in a magnificient series.

However he was a foreigner & didn't arselick the press so they hounded him out.

 

Since then we have gone backwards at a rate of knots.

 

Moores is obviously not up to it but KP completely overstepped the mark with how he went about it.

 

It is correct that they both go.

[Ian Sea]

Disagree Wiiksie

 

The captain must always be the main man in cricket & it has only been since what Atherton calls ' The cult of the coach' in the last 10 years that this has become a problem.

 

It is totally different to the likes of football where the captain is basically a sergeant major figure with very little tactical input. In Test cricket the captain is in charge in a game lasting @ 30 hours making tactical decision off the cuff almost constantly. He needs to be totally happy with his team and tactics & if the coach & himself are considered equal it is similar to the Evans/Houllier system and will never work.

 

Most of the all time greats in any sport have massive egos , and basically we had a choice of backing a player who could one day be considered as an all-time top5 test batsman candidate , or an out of his depth , cheap option , provincial no-account coach who had minor success by using happy-clappy , siege mentality tactics in the poorest county championship era of all time.

 

Once they were aware of the extent of the problems , the ECB , armed with Moores' crap test record should have axed him & not waited for the problem to burst in public.

 

Hugh Morris / Fred Karno - never seen in the same room.

 

This England team has a clique mentality though, and it has done for a while, and Pietersen would have made it even worse had he got his way.

 

I'm all for the captain being the main man but he can't just put his mates in the team. What has Michael Vaughan done to deserve his spot ahead of the likes of Owais Shah, Ravi Bopara or Rob Key? Nothing is the answer.

 

I'm a massive Vaughan fan and on form he would be the first name in my team but he's not played well for a long time now and has shown nothing since he stood down as captain to suggest he's going to rediscover his form.

 

Pietersen was out of order demanding his inclusion, he should want to pick players on form who deserve a chance and not someone who's his mate. If that's his attitude than I think we'll be better off without him.