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if the universe is expanding,what is it expanding into?infinity,?what does that actually mean?

We know if you could set off from liverpool on foot due west,(forgetting the oceans)the earth we know is round,and eventually you would return to your starting point.ok,imagine you had the means to shoot straight up into the sky in a rocket with unlimited fuel,how can there not be a limit to how far you can go?to say it's mindboggling is an understatement. The more we learn about space science the more we realise how insignificant we are in the big scheme of things.

Anyway,beans on a fryup or not?

 

Fraser Cain has a good explanation http://www.universetoday.com/1455/podcast-what-is-the-universe-expanding-into/

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The fact is we don't know and never will, we will just keep pushing the boundaries whilst discovering new things. 

 

Im not sure about that.

 

Just over a decade ago, no one knew there were planets around other stars. 60 to 70 years ago, we thought the Milky Way Galaxy was the whole Universe and didnt know other galaxies existed.

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Im not sure about that.

 

Just over a decade ago, no one knew there were planets around other stars. 60 to 70 years ago, we thought the Milky Way Galaxy was the whole Universe and didnt know other galaxies existed.

I'm guessing my assumption that we will never know where space ends is a wise bet, we haven't even discovered parts of our own fucking planet. We are always pushing the boundaries as far as space goes, but i'm guessing we still haven't scratched the surface.  

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I'm guessing my assumption that we will never know where space ends is a wise bet, we haven't even discovered parts of our own fucking planet. We are always pushing the boundaries as far as space goes, but i'm guessing we still haven't scratched the surface.  

 

Well we already know where the edge of the observable universe is, its about 45 BLYs in any direction you want to look.

 

I agree we havent made much of an impact.

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Anyone else feel like their head is going to explode whenever they think deeply about just how big the world is and where the whole thing came from?

 

Yep. Same as with time. Like you say the non avian dinosaurs were wiped out 65MY ago but you cannot really comprehend 65 million years. Then think they were around for over 150 million years. Then think the planet is 4.5 BILLION years old compared to that. And even then, the galaxy is 3 times older than the planet. 3 fucking times!! But even then, the universe is older still.

 

Then you go the other way to the big rip, big freeze or big crunch that ends the universe. I cant even write that time in years its just so fucking far in the future and pops my brain.

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Im not sure about that.

 

Just over a decade ago, no one knew there were planets around other stars. 60 to 70 years ago, we thought the Milky Way Galaxy was the whole Universe and didnt know other galaxies existed.

 

Aye, and Newton's Theory of Mechanics was believed to cover everything, physics-wise. To the point that science thought it wasteful and superfluous to even bother looking beyond it. Until Einstein came along. 

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https://www.sciencenews.org/article/galaxies-may-be-aligned-across-1-billion-light-years

 

Galaxies may be aligned across 1 billion light-years
Distant quasars raise questions about formation of large structures in the universe

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he cores of several distant galaxies, spread out across roughly 1 billion light-years, appear to mysteriously align with one another. If confirmed, the new observations could be a hint of some unknown mechanism that shapes the largest structures in the universe.

Damien Hutsemékers, an astrophysicist at the University of Liège in Belgium, and colleagues used the Very Large Telescope in northern Chile to measure the orientations of 19 quasars, blazing disks of gas that swirl around supermassive black holes in the centers of some galaxies. Each of the quasars lives in one of four groups that are about 13 billion light-years away and centered on the constellation Leo. Within the groups, powerful jets of charged particles that spew from the quasars seem to point in nearly the same direction, the researchers report November 19 in Astronomy & Astrophysics.

The conclusions are on shaky ground, says Mike DiPompeo, an astrophysicist at the University of Wyoming. With only 19 quasars, the alignments could be just a coincidence. But even with a small sample, he finds the results intriguing and worthy of further investigation. It would be surprising, he says, if quasars knew how their neighbors were aligned. 

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Ready for lift off! Nasa gives go-ahead for Orion capsule that could take man to Mars to blast off for its first flight on Thursday 

  • Nasa's Orion spacecraft is designed to carry astronauts to an asteroid and eventually to Mars
  • Will be launched for first time on Thursday from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida
  • Engineers are now preparing Orion to launch atop a United Launch Alliance Delta 4 Heavy rocket 
  • Pointed tip of the capsule is known as the Launch Abort System and can take astronaut's to safety
  • The fairing - or casing - which aims to stream line the launch, will be jettisoned during Orion's ride into space  
  • Unmanned test flight will take place on December 4th and will take around four hours

By Ellie Zolfagharifard and Mark Prigg for MailOnline

Published: 21:09, 1 December 2014 | Updated: 07:33, 2 December 2014

 

The radical Orion spacecraft, designed to carry astronauts into deep space, has been given to go-ahead to launch for the first time on Thursday.

The launch has been overshadowed by two space disasters - the Antares rocket explosion and the tragic failure of Virgin Galactic's SpaceShip Two.

However, Nasa hopes the launch could reinvigorate the space programme.

  

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Ready to go! Engineers are now preparing Orion to launch on top of 180ft tall (55 metres) United Launch Alliance Delta 4 Heavy rockets in an unmanned test flight on December 4th.

FORECAST FOR LAUNCH

Weather conditions remain good for Thursday's Orion test flight, forecasters say.

The latest predictions show there is a 60 percent chance of favorable weather for the 7:05 a.m. launch aboard a United Launch Alliance Delta IV Heavy rocket at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

There is a 40 percent chance of violating the flight through precipitation and liftoff wind rules. 

Engineers are now preparing Orion to launch atop 180ft tall (55 metres) United Launch Alliance Delta 4 Heavy rockets in an unmanned test flight on December 4th.

NASA and Lockheed Martin completed the Flight Readiness Review (FRR) for Orion's upcoming flight test Dec. 4, giving a 'go' to proceed. 

The FRR is a rigorous assessment of the spacecraft, its systems, mission operations and support functions needed to successfully complete Orion's first voyage to space.

The spacecraft is hoped to take astronauts to explore an asteroid and eventually make the 34 million mile (55 million km) journey to Mars.

Nasa's quest to send astronauts out into the solar system begins this week with a two-laps-around-Earth test flight.

The new Orion spacecraft is not going to Mars just yet; Thursday's debut will be unmanned and last just 4 1/2 hours. 

But it will be the farthest a built-for-humans capsule has flown since the Apollo moon missions, shooting 3,600 miles out into space in order to gain enough momentum to re-enter the atmosphere at a scorching 20,000 mph.

The dry run, if all goes well, will end with a Pacific splashdown off Mexico's Baja coast. Navy ships will recover the capsule, a la Apollo, for future use.

This initial Orion is rigged with 1,200 sensors to gauge its durability for the day when astronauts do climb aboard during the decade ahead. 

Advertised destinations include an asteroid to be corralled in lunar orbit for human exploration in the 2020s, followed by Mars in the 2030s.

 

'We're approaching this as pioneers,' said William Hill of NASA's exploration systems development office. 

'We're going out to stay eventually. ... It's many, many decades away, but that's our intent.'

Lockheed Martin Corp. built the capsule and is staging the $370 million test flight for NASA.

Orion is NASA's first new spacecraft for humans in more than a generation, succeeding the now-retired space shuttles. Unlike the capsules under development by two U.S. companies for space station crew transport, Orion is meant for the long haul, both in time and space; it would be supplemented with habitats for potential Mars trips.

'We need a spacecraft that's going to be sturdy enough and robust enough' to carry astronauts well beyond low-Earth orbit for weeks and months at a time, said Lockheed Martin's Bryan Austin, a former NASA shuttle flight director who will oversee Orion's maiden voyage.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN DURING ORION'S FIRST MISSION?

During its December 4 test flight, the unmanned capsule will shoot more than 3,600 miles (5,790km) into space.

It will then take two big laps around Earth before re-entering the atmosphere at 20,000 mph (32,200 km/h) and parachuting into the Pacific off the San Diego coast. 

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The Launch Abort System and upper stage, shown in the left of this image, have been transported to Cape Canaveral. Here, they will be joined with the Delta IV Heavy Rocket ahead of a test flight in December. The right image shows the stages Orion will go through during flight

During the two-orbit, four-hour mission, engineers will evaluate the systems critical to crew safety, the launch abort system, the heat shield and the parachute system. 

The data gathered during the mission will influence design decisions and validate existing computer models. 

The flight also will reduce overall mission risks and costs for later Orion flights.

The capsule will re-enter Earth's atmosphere generating temperatures as high as 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit, before splashing down in the Pacific Ocean.

'That's how Orion really separates itself from the commercial field. 

'They're there to get you to station and back. Of course, we're there to be hardened enough to sustain it for that long duration.'

For this orbital tryout, a Delta IV rocket will hoist Orion from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. 

'Liftoff is scheduled for 7:05 a.m. EST, just after sunrise. 

'The rocket, with Orion and its launch escape tower at the tiptop, stretches 242 feet high.

Future Orion launches will use the mega rocket still under development by NASA, known as SLS or Space Launch System. 

The first Orion-SLS launch is targeted for 2018, unmanned, followed by the first piloted mission in 2021.

No one at NASA is pleased with such a poky pace. 

At best, it will be seven years before astronauts fly Orion - anywhere. 

By comparison, it took eight years from the time President John Kennedy announced his intentions of landing a man on the moon - before John Glenn had even rocketed into orbit - to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's lunar boot prints in 1969.

Given the present budget situation, 'it is what it is,' said Kennedy Space Center's director Robert Cabana, a former astronaut. And the presidential election ahead could bring further delays and uncertainties.

In any case, don't confuse Orion with NASA's old-time Apollo capsules.

For one, the 11-foot-tall Orion is designed to hold four astronauts, one more than Apollo. For relatively short outings of three weeks or so, Orion could accommodate six.

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After a 22-mile journey from the Launch Abort System Facility at the Kennedy Space Center, the Orion Spacecraft arrives at Space Launch Complex 37B at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, in Cape Canaveral

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Test flight: Orion will make two big laps around Earth before re-entering the atmosphere at 20,000 mph (32,200 km/h). Pictured is an artist's impression of the Orion craft in orbit

'People often ask us, `Hey, this thing looks like a capsule, it looks like Apollo,' and people will confuse that with `it's not new,' ' said Scott Wilson, NASA's Orion production operations manager. While physics drives the capsule's outer bell shape, 'everything else in the capsule is state-of-the-art,' he said.

'Everything, from the thrusters, from the environmental control systems, to the structure itself' is benefiting from all the advances in technology, Wilson said. With no one on board, this first Orion will have hunks of aluminum in place of seats for ballast, simulators instead of cockpit displays and, obviously, no life-support.

The heat shield on Orion's base, designed to protect the craft from the searing temperatures of atmospheric re-entry, is 16.5 feet across and is the biggest, most advanced of its kind ever made, according to NASA. On this flight, Orion will reach close to 4,000 degrees, not quite the 5,000 degrees that would be generated from a moon mission, but close enough for a shakedown.

That's why Orion will aim for a 3,600-mile-high peak altitude, more than 14 times higher than the International Space Station - to pick up enough speed to come back fast and hot.

NASA is pulling out all the stops for Orion's inaugural run. The space agency has teamed up with the nonprofit, educational Sesame Street Workshop to promote not just this mission, but the effort to send astronauts to Mars. Comics, video and graphics are building up the countdown.

'The astronauts of the 2030s and beyond are today's preschoolers,' NASA explains on its website.

There's even a new countdown clock to herald the event.

Last week, Kennedy Space Center took down its familiar launch countdown clock dating back to the Apollo program; officials said it had become too expensive to fix and maintain. 

A new multimedia display went up in its place, just as long at 26 feet, but taller at 7 feet.

  

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The countdown begins: The Orion craft, designed to carry astronauts into deep space, as it arrived at Cape Canaveral Air Station in Florida

'This is just the first of what will be a long line of exploration missions beyond low Earth orbit,' said Bill Hill, deputy associate administrator for Exploration Systems Development.

'In a few years we will be sending our astronauts to destinations humans have never experienced. It's thrilling to be a part of the journey now, at the beginning.'

During the trip to Cape Canaveral from Nasa's Kennedy Space Center, the conical-shaped capsule was encased in its 52ft-tall (16 metre) protective fairing. 

The entire transported stack - which includes the fairing,  crew module and 'Launch Abort System' - is 70ft tall (21 metres) in total, or about the size of five double decker buses. When attached to the rockets, it will be around 250ft (76 metres). 

Last month the Delta IV Heavy rocket, built by United Launch Alliance, made its move to nearby Space Launch Complex 37 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

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So do I. How much use would it really be in a none light polluted area ?

 

By a non light polluted area, do you mean where there's no pollution or where there is?

 

In a non light polluted area (ie no street or urbanisation lighting) it would be excellent. Even with some light pollution about, it would still be very good on a clear night.

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