The smoking ban.

[rebel23]

:whatever:

 

There are liberal arguments in favour of the ban, you know. I mentioned the major one earlier in this thread.

 

Anyway, we'e not talking about that now, it's moved on to the proposed massive price hike on booze.

 

liberal arguments in favour of the ban, do me a favour

 

if you believe in freedom, personal responsibility and civil liberties then you ought to be against any ban such as smoking in public places.

 

I'm a libertarian and i'm against all bans, regulations and unecesarry government laws, the libdems seem to like to claim to be liberal but are anything but, they're fascist left wingers who want laws and regulations to tell you and me what to do and when to do it and businesses on what they can allow to go on in their premesis, sounds very fascist to me.

 

also, where does this leave the potential for so called cannabis cafe's? oh, they're banned by virtue of it being smoking in a public place, nice side effect of a stupid law supported by fascist parties

[rebel23]

 

If I was in charge of the country, I would double the tax on booze, double the tax on fags, double the tax on petrol, and reduce income tax by the corresponding amount.

 

 

and your citizens will just evade the taxes by bootlegging just like they evade the dumb bans on coke and marijuana, you will assist in creating many rich criminals and will raise far less in revenue than you do already from those sources

[Sugar Ape]

Smoking in cars should be outlawed to protect children, says BMA | Society | The Guardian

 

Smoking should be banned in cars to protect drivers and passengers – especially children – from breathing in toxins far worse than those found in smoky bars, the nation's doctors have demanded.

 

The British Medical Association (BMA) is urging ministers across the UK to extend the ban on smoking in public places introduced in 2007 to all vehicles in a further effort to protect people's health.

 

Children are at particular risk from secondhand smoke in cars because they take in more of the chemicals from cigarettes than adults and may not be able to refuse to travel in a smoky car.

 

The BMA called for a ban after reviewing previously published research studies into cars and smoking.

 

A car's occupants are exposed to 23 times more toxins than they would encounter in a bar, the BMA's review found. Older people, who are more likely to have breathing problems, are also at extra risk of health damage from inhaling secondhand smoke in a car, it added.

 

The government is unlikely to do what the BMA recommends, though. "We do not believe that legislation is the most effective way to encourage people to change their behaviour," a Department of Health spokesman said.

 

But the BMA hopes that the devolved administrations in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, which are pursuing some innovative public health measures such as alcohol minimum pricing and presumed consent organ donation, might take their own action.

 

"We are calling on UK governments to take the bold and courageous step of banning smoking in private vehicles," said Dr Vivienne Nathanson, the BMA's head of science and ethics. "The evidence for extending the smoke-free legislation is compelling."

 

The all-party parliamentary group on smoking and health is calling for ministers to hold a public consultation on how to tackle smoking in cars. While opinion polls show widespread support for banning smoking in cars carrying children, such a step would be hard to enforce and would not protect adults, the MPs and peers say.

 

The British Lung Foundation said it would support such a ban because children "are literally trapped in the car and have no choice but to breathe in smoke".

 

The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health also backs more limited action.

 

But David Cameron, an ex-smoker, recently signalled his opposition to a car ban. He praised the success of the public places smoking ban, which he opposed at the time, but added: "I am much more nervous about going into what people do inside a vehicle," he told Labour MP Alex Cunningham, who is trying to get parliament's backing for a private member's bill outlawing smoking in child-carrying cars.

 

The health department will next year launch a marketing campaign in England to publicise the risks of secondhand smoke as part of its efforts to encourage even fewer people to smoke, a spokesman said.

[Elmyn Noos]

I do wish the we-know-what's-best-for-you do-gooding health police would just fuck off and die.

[AVEEZ]

I would ban smoking with kids in the car, then Id ban it in cars with no kids, then I ban it in homes with kids, then I'd ban it in all homes or at least I'd let the press think thats what i'm doing..

 

Whilst that is going on, I would hope that whatever holy fuck up the most recent politian has made is getting merrily swept under the carpet in the who haaa... much like they are attempting to do with this and the 'dont blame me' home secretary!!

[Hand Shandy]

I do wish the we-know-what's-best-for-you do-gooding health police would just fuck off and die.

 

As a smoker, I agree with you to an extent there Noos.

 

However, I also have a six-month old daughter and I wouldn't dream of smoking in the car while she was with me. Similarly, I no longer smoke in the house.

 

And that's where the problem comes in with this idea - where do you draw the line?

 

I'd argue that having two parents smoking like chimneys while little Johnny is sitting in his high chair in the front room is as bad as smoking with them in the car... But it would be impossible to stop that happening so you'd be talking about a blanket ban on smoking.

 

And that ain't ever going to happen while the government continues to rake in the outrageous levels of tax they impose on tobacco and cigarettes...

[Jairzinho]

As a smoker, I agree with you to an extent there Noos.

 

However, I also have a six-month old daughter and I wouldn't dream of smoking in the car while she was with me. Similarly, I no longer smoke in the house.

 

And that's where the problem comes in with this idea - where do you draw the line?

 

I'd argue that having two parents smoking like chimneys while little Johnny is sitting in his high chair in the front room is as bad as smoking with them in the car... But it would be impossible to stop that happening so you'd be talking about a blanket ban on smoking.

 

And that ain't ever going to happen while the government continues to rake in the outrageous levels of tax they impose on tobacco and cigarettes...

 

This is the problem though, surely?

 

I don't smoke around children now. In a house, in a car, even close to them outside. The law has no impact on me. Similarly, the kind of utter mong who does chain smoke with kids in the car etc isn't going to change when the law does either.

[Elmyn Noos]

As a smoker, I agree with you to an extent there Noos.

 

However, I also have a six-month old daughter and I wouldn't dream of smoking in the car while she was with me. Similarly, I no longer smoke in the house.

 

And that's where the problem comes in with this idea - where do you draw the line?

 

I'd argue that having two parents smoking like chimneys while little Johnny is sitting in his high chair in the front room is as bad as smoking with them in the car... But it would be impossible to stop that happening so you'd be talking about a blanket ban on smoking.

 

And that ain't ever going to happen while the government continues to rake in the outrageous levels of tax they impose on tobacco and cigarettes...

 

People will smoke in front of their kids if they're inconsiderate cunts. You can't stop it happening. This car ban will make no difference to that.

 

The irony here is that they want people to stop polluting other people's lungs, whilst driving around in their fucking cars spewing all sorts of shit out the back!

[VladimirIlyich]

To me this is a decent idea but for a different reason. I think smoking in cars should be banned for the same reason using mobile phones is and thats safety and concentration issues for the driver. It seems that a few incidents could be avoided by not smoking in cars the same way as using mobiles can. If you are so desperate for a ciggie then pull over for 5 minutes until you're done,same as using a mobile.

[RobbieOR]

How can you ban people smoking in cars? Its private property.

[Section_31]

That actually makes me want to smoke, but I am an obtuse motherfucker.

[Plewggs]

This was discussed on R5 earlier today.

 

Best comment was from a guy who was walking in London with an east European customer when the giggy ban was first introduced.

 

After passing various groups of office workers having a fag break on the pavement the east European said:

 

I must say, the prostitutes in London are very well dressed!

[Elmyn Noos]

How can you ban people smoking in cars? Its private property.

 

So are pubs but the cunts managed that. It's simple, they lie and say "It's about protecting children/bar staff/baby pandas". It's all part of their agenda of forcing their will onto other because the arrogant twats assume that they know best, and that we ignore them not because they are joyless little fucks, but because we know no better.

 

I've seen cancer first hand. It's truly awful. I hope they get it.

[VladimirIlyich]

I think its great that smoking is banned in pubs. Its a shame that a) not as many people use them and b) there are not very many of them left any more.

[Guest davelfc]

I'm biased as I'm not a smoker and I prefer to drink or eat in a place where there is no smoke. That they had to make a law shows just what selfish twats smokers are, they're addicts after all so it's not all their fault.

 

In cars? Well it's pretty irresponsible for a parent to be smoking in a car with children in given what we know. Again they'll have to pass a law as smokers couldn't really give a shit about even their own childs health because they just need to smoke.

 

The government makes a shit load of money from smokers, so as drug dealers they have to be careful just how far they push them. They don't want everyone giving up as they'd be fecked without that cash.

[lifetime fan]

So are pubs but the cunts managed that. It's simple, they lie and say "It's about protecting children/bar staff/baby pandas". It's all part of their agenda of forcing their will onto other because the arrogant twats assume that they know best, and that we ignore them not because they are joyless little fucks, but because we know no better.

 

I've seen cancer first hand. It's truly awful. I hope they get it.

 

I'm glad we've got the smoking ban, I'd make it cover pub beer gardens too as the dirty fucking wankers have ruined them completely as a result of the ban.

[Jairzinho]

I think its great that smoking is banned in pubs. Its a shame that a) not as many people use them and b) there are not very many of them left any more.

 

Its almost as if there is a link there somewhere.

[lifetime fan]

Its almost as if there is a link there somewhere.

 

Lets get the coalition to enforce smoking on it's subjects to recover the economy then shall we?

[Elmyn Noos]

I think its great that smoking is banned in pubs. Its a shame that a) not as many people use them and b) there are not very many of them left any more.

 

Don't worry - once they've finished with smoking they'll move onto booze, which will finish off what's left of the pubs.

[Guest davelfc]

Isn't the death of the pub more down to the availability of cheap booze? More people choose to stay in, order a pizza, rent a DVD and get some beers in. Much cheaper than a round in a pub and you din't have the bloke in the corner swearing and stinking of piss, unless of course you come to my house.

[lifetime fan]

Isn't the death of the pub more down to the availability of cheap booze? More people choose to stay in, order a pizza, rent a DVD and get some beers in. Much cheaper than a round in a pub and you din't have the bloke in the corner swearing and stinking of piss, unless of course you come to my house.

 

No.

 

Rural and village pubs were going from strength to stregth before the smoking ban.

 

It ruined everything.

[Elmyn Noos]

I'm biased as I'm not a smoker and I prefer to drink or eat in a place where there is no smoke. That they had to make a law shows just what selfish twats smokers are, they're addicts after all so it's not all their fault.

 

In cars? Well it's pretty irresponsible for a parent to be smoking in a car with children in given what we know. Again they'll have to pass a law as smokers couldn't really give a shit about even their own childs health because they just need to smoke.

 

The government makes a shit load of money from smokers, so as drug dealers they have to be careful just how far they push them. They don't want everyone giving up as they'd be fecked without that cash.

 

Bullshit. Most smokers will not smoke around their kids, but that's irrelevant. The law cannot stop them if they do, so the law is pointless. Also, it's not even the main agenda here. They use the kids argument because it's emotive and it gets people with small brains spitting out their cornflakes all over the front page of their Daily Mail. They want a ban on smoking in cars - whether there are kids in there or not. I'm now a non-smoker, but I can see that this is just another step towards their ultimate goal of forcing everyone to behave how they think you should behave. If people want to smoke on their own in their own cars, why the fuck shouldn't they?

[Elmyn Noos]

I'm glad we've got the smoking ban, I'd make it cover pub beer gardens too as the dirty fucking wankers have ruined them completely as a result of the ban.

 

Brilliant, then you'd have those pubs closed down too!

[Elmyn Noos]

Lets get the coalition to enforce smoking on it's subjects to recover the economy then shall we?

 

Because there's no middle ground to be had here is there? Like letting people choose for themselves. Like letting smokers provide somewhere for other smokers and non-smokers avoiding those places? Idiot.

 

ps. You negged.

[lifetime fan]

Brilliant, then you'd have those pubs closed down too!

 

Evidence?

 

What a pile of fucking clap trap!

 

I actually know a director of a brewing company that have specialised in both 'family pubs' (yes those fun factory shitholes!) and 'pubs' that have seen increased profits every single year since the ban.