LFC is 11th most valuable club

[Hermes]

http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/Manchester_United_top_rich_club_list_news_114748.html

 

Some surprising clubs above of us.

 

 

More info here:

 

http://www.forbes.com/home/business/2007/03/29/soccer-valuations-beckham-biz-services-cx_pm_07soccer_0329soccer_land.html

[Karl_b]

Schalke is a big suprise.

[Hermes]

Schalke is a big suprise.

 

They have massive home crowds though, one of the biggest in Europe.

[WaltonRed]

Clubs

1 Man Utd £740million

2 Real Madrid £528million

3 Arsenal £466million

4 Bayern Munich £427million

5 Milan £420million

6 Juventus £289million

7 Inter Milan £282million

8 Chelsea £274million

9 Barcelona £273million

10 Schalke 04 £240million

11 Liverpool £231million

12 Lyon £175million

13 Newcastle £132million

14 Tottenham £124million

15 Roma £114million

16 Hamburg £112million

17 Man City £106million

18 B Dortmund £101million

19 Ajax £100million

20 Celtic £94million

21 Everton £84million

22 Marseille £80million

23 West Ham £79million

24 Rangers £75million

25 Aston Villa £71m

 

Im suprised at Schalke but the rest are the usual suspects, I expect us to move up that list over the next few years as move ground and finally cash in on the far eastern market.

[Hermes]

German attendances:

 

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/stats_att_08.htm

[kelster]

So Arsenal are £260m in debt, out of the Champions League, and are still worth twice as much as Liverpool. How does that work?

[kelster]

Shalke 04 home game. I'm impressed.....

 

[Karl_b]

German games have much reduced prices for certain tickets and, if it is viable, it should be something we look at for our new ground.

[cochcaer]

Man City 17th yet Valencia don't make the 25.

[WaltonRed]

German games have much reduced prices for certain tickets and, if it is viable, it should be something we look at for our new ground.

 

They also have standing aswell.

[Hermes]

Average attendances in Europe, we are 18th:

 

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/stats_att_06.htm

[Hermes]

The increase in our turnover over the last few years is amazing:

 

 

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_liverpool.htm

[cochcaer]

The increase in our turnover over the last few years is amazing:

 

 

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_liverpool.htm

 

Look at the wages for 96/00....:eek:

[Dirk]

Look at the wages for 96/00....:eek:

 

It looks bad because it's a percentage of turnover and we had a particularly poor turnover that year.

[Hermes]

Look at the wages for 96/00....:eek:

 

I think that was when the last TV deal was signed. The new players signed were given massive wages based on the increased TV income that had not yet been realised in the turnover. The TV deal was largely responsible for the massive increase in turnover from 2000 onwards.

[Vulmea]

If I remenber right - Schalke were involved in some sort of Real Madrdi style deal - they bought land off the local council (Gelsenkirchen?) for a few quid when they were massively in debt and then miraculously it was worth a fortune.....not sure where their money comes from though they've been in the top 20 for a few years though

[Paul]

That wages/turnover figure for the last reported year was reassuring. Chelsea's is reputed to have exceeded their turnover at one point during the early part of Abramovich's reign.

[WaltonRed]

It shows just how big and popular we are that we are 11th even without exhausting all outlets of brining revenue in like the rest of them have.

 

You see kids in town in some of those shirts all the time even though they have no real feeling for the club, thats what we need to do in some places while opening up shops in places they are mad for us like the far east.

[WaltonRed]

Just read a article on the guardian website about the fact that teams in Italy and Spain negoiate there own TV deals while we share so its clear why we arent right up there.

 

Also mentioned the prospect of a european superleague which I guess is G14's way of saying to Platini be careful with your proposed changes or we will take a ball home.

[Guest Johnny Barnes]

Is this based on how much a club earns per annum or its overall assets?

 

I thought with the recent takeover we would be worth a bit more than that.

[Hermes]

Just read a article on the guardian website about the fact that teams in Italy and Spain negoiate there own TV deals

 

Barca and Real both recently signed deals which guarantee them around £100m a season from TV. Juventus are by far the best supported team in Italy which guarantees them big TV and shirt sponsorship money.

[Vulmea]

Thi latest list is based on Forbes guess on how much the club is worth not just turnover - (Real, Barca and Juve's turnover are all higher than united)in Forbes terms United and Arsenals massive debt add to the value of the club - if you look at the full list you'll see most of Uniteds wealth is based on the ludicrous price Glazer paid and then pushed onto the club as debt (more than three times what Gillet and Hicks paid for us in relation to turnover - same for Lerner, Magnusson etc all paid roughly the same as us in terms of amount paid in relation to turnover)

 

The italian clubs are thinking of going back to collective TV rights - and TV for them is a huge 60% of their income they thinks its making their league non-competitive allegedly - whereas most Prem clubs its about 30%, 30% matchday receipts and 30% marketing/sponsorship etc

 

Not sure about Juve's popularity they are scaling down their stadium for 60,000 + to 50,000 I think with an original proposal for 30K..........football atendance in Italy isn't great possibly because of their recent troubles

[Sweeney287]

You can buy season tickets for the big Italian teams for a couple of hundred quid.

 

Also, are the German clubs attendances that much higher due to new stadia being built for the World Cup last year or is that an average over a couple of seasons?

[Hermes]

Not sure about Juve's popularity they are scaling down their stadium for 60,000 + to 50,000 I think with an original proposal for 30K..........football atendance in Italy isn't great possibly because of their recent troubles

 

Juventus have over 10 million fans in Italy, it's estimated that more than 1/4 of football fans in Italy support Juve. The problem is that the support isn't in Turin but all over the rest of Italy.

[drewy]

Juventus have over 10 million fans in Italy, it's estimated that more than 1/4 of football fans in Italy support Juve. The problem is that the support isn't in Turin but all over the rest of Italy.

 

They may have 10 million fans in Italy Dave but only 35,000 turn up to watch them. They are the mancs of Italy without the match going fans.