Muhammad Ali

[Lee909]

9 hours ago, Kevin D said:

 

You're not wrong at all.

 

However, I think Paul is right. There are no saints.

 

Ali is a guy who was a public figure the second he won his gold medal at 18 years old. He was working through how he thought about oppression, racism and tyranny, and doing all of these things in a public sphere. 

 

It's entirely predictable that he would have said stuff that he regrets while doing so. And he did regret it.

 

He has repeatedly walked back the black supremacist nation of Islam ideology generally and his comments to Joe specifically. Given how he went about his life in his last 30 years, arguing against Apartheid and for Palestinian independence, I take him at his word.

Perfectly said

 

The pressure he must have been under during them years is incredible. By far the biggest Sports star in the world, maybe the biggest name in the world. The pressure to speak out, the influence of the NOI and other civil rights groups. Dealing with the hate, Jim Crowe laws in the South. 

[Bjornebye]

13 hours ago, Edwyn C said:

I know Pele is black. I put him in cos he's a football icon but not judged on politics.

 

Football, Tennis (apart from Arthur Ashe), British boxers, Rugby, Cricket, british athletics. 

 

I can't think of any athletes apart from mostly Black Americans who are expected to speak out on cultural issues/politics. 

Me too. 

[Captain Howdy]

Greatest sportsman in history for my money, love him.

[Kevin D]

 

[Tony Moanero]

 

[Evelyn Tentions]

13 hours ago, Tony Moanero said:

 

If it wasn't for the thread title, I'd be invoking Tentions Law .

[Baltar]

Ali's official biography is a great read and Bundini was certainly one of the most fascinating characters in Ali's entourage. 

[Tony Moanero]

 

[Floyd10]

There's a pretty good Ali documentary, think it's available through Sky, called 'What's my name?'. Defs worth a watch

[johnsusername]

[Captain Turdseye]

Mentioned in the Boxing thread a few weeks ago that Ken Burns has made a 4-part documentary about Ali that has a run time of 7+ hours. Still not gotten around to watching it myself but I think I’m gonna start it tonight. 
 

All four episodes should be available in the usual places. Anybody seen it yet?

[Captain Turdseye]

There’s also a new Netflix doc about his relationship with Malcolm X, which looks well worth watching too. 

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, Captain Turdseye said:

There’s also a new Netflix doc about his relationship with Malcolm X, which looks well worth watching too. 

I have a feeling I've seen that before,or something very much like it.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I have a feeling I've seen that before,or something very much like it.

They all look the same, eh? You make me sick. 

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Captain Turdseye said:

They all look the same, eh? You make me sick. 

Haha! I admit it,I am rico and all muslims look the same. Especially the females.

[Captain Turdseye]

Watched the first one earlier. Two hours just flew by. It ended just after he became the champ for the first time. 

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