Israel - A Rant

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

So you copied and pasted the first thing on Google without any idea of what the Houthi's are fighting against, or why they exist?

 

Cool.

 

I’ll portray this response as a reaction to the above argument and chuckle to myself about it.

 

 

 

 

 No. Why don’t you enlighten me. I’ll give you time to go on Wikipedia 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

 No. Why don’t you enlighten me. I’ll give you time to go on Wikipedia 

Glorious.

 

Good night.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Bruce Spanner said:

Glorious.

 

Good night.

Thanks. 

[Carradona]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has told Ireland to remove its peacekeepers from an outpost on the border with Lebanon as its invasion of the country continues.

Sources confirmed the request was made to the headquarters of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) and individual countries contributing troops, including Ireland. Israel has been told the troops will remain in place.

I live in a town with a population of approx. 450 people. Two young fellas in their early 20s graduated in the army this summer and are supposed to be heading to Lebanon in 2 weeks for a stint. Was chatting to both their fathers' in the pub last weekend and they're absolutely shitting it about their kids heading off out there.

 

A grim situation when you're trying to "peacekeep" with a bunch of blood thirsty fucking nazi cunts.

[Jurgen Knows]

6 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The problem with that is that they kind of are.

 

Iran backs and funds Hezbollah, Houthi and many more militias that act in a quasi political sense in countries and bring little but instability, conflict and violence.

 

Their started aim is the dissolution of the Israeli state, this is in no small part because Isreal has acted like absolute cunts with impunity for the past far too many decades.

 

The ME is a fucking basket case because the ‘West’ have treated it like countries and states instead of the semi autonomous tribal regions it is and tried to squeeze it by installing tribes as governments at the exclusion of other tribes and then been amazed when it kicks off.

 

Lines don’t equal countries, as any fool should know.

The only thing I would add here Bruce is that Iran’s “stated aim” of eliminating the Israeli state is just bullshit they use to cover their real aim of growing their own influence and interests in the region (Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, …). They attack Israel at the expense of Arab blood and Arab land, never Iranian blood and Iranian land. And they have no problem throwing their Arab proxies under the bus when push comes to shove, or when they are offered a good deal.

 

Israel on the other side needs an aggressor like Iran in order to justify its own crimes and territorial expansion in the name of self defense. South Lebanon is the immediate territorial expansion target at this stage. Their end game will not be seen during our lifetime, and they certainly need Iran for the long haul.

The presence of Israel in the region is key for Iran, and the presence of Iran is key for Israel. One will not seek to eliminate the other.

[Carradona]

 

FUCK ISRAEL

[Section_31]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/04/biden-netanyahu-peace-deal-election-influence

[skend04]

17 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/04/biden-netanyahu-peace-deal-election-influence

 

I'm sure this is going to be called antisemitic at some point today. 

[Section_31]

The peace process needs more Jared Kushner.

 

"Jewsalem, they call it jewsalem because of all the Jews, like little baby Jesus, so little."

[Planet Origi]

 

Free press

[Anubis]

On 04/10/2024 at 22:27, Carradona said:

I live in a town with a population of approx. 450 people. Two young fellas in their early 20s graduated in the army this summer and are supposed to be heading to Lebanon in 2 weeks for a stint. Was chatting to both their fathers' in the pub last weekend and they're absolutely shitting it about their kids heading off out there.

 

A grim situation when you're trying to "peacekeep" with a bunch of blood thirsty fucking nazi cunts.

 

17 hours ago, Carradona said:

 

FUCK ISRAEL

 

That’s all very well, but why aren’t they peacekeeping in the Congo? This is just performative, antisemitic peacekeeping.

[an tha]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp394rx53qro

[Red Phoenix]

On 05/10/2024 at 09:40, Section_31 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/04/biden-netanyahu-peace-deal-election-influence

 

I've been wondering if he's doing the same for a while now. It'll probably be brushed aside though as Dems go on about Russian interference and Reps do the same with China or something.

[Planet Origi]

 

[Planet Origi]

https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1842593155407110527

 

Atrocity Inc: How Israel Sells its Destruction of Gaza

 

 

[Planet Origi]

https://x.com/Hamza_a96/status/1842922958421168580

 

The BBC comes out of this looking woeful. To the surprise of absolutely nobody. This is a must watch. 

 

Western media outlets are undoubtedly complicit in Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

[Bjornebye]

Excellent article 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/06/palestinian-us-friends-job-opportunities-humanity-gaza?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

Morality.

 

 

https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1843336621091119235?s=46&t=rTM5huSAdkyumn9JrNS_MQ

[M_B]

The F-35 is an American plane.

[Bjornebye]

18 minutes ago, M_B said:

The F-35 is an American plane.

We own a fair few. One crashed not long ago. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

23 minutes ago, M_B said:

The F-35 is an American plane.

 

It's a result of the Joint Strike Fighter program, and the UK was the only Tier 1 partner. Some British Companies have licences to supply component parts for the F-35 program. Things like part of the tails and electronics (BAE), parts for the LiftSystem used in F-35B (Rolls-Royce), aerial refuelling parts (Cobham), and others. These parts might - might - make their way to an Israeli plane. The idea that part of a wing or tail fin from a British business makes the government 'complicit in genocide' is actually pathetic and a real desperate reach to be able to say 'Starmer kills kids'. There are components licences issued through licenses granted by the Export Control Joint Unit (ECJU), which operates within the Department for International Trade (DIT). Licenses to export parts to Israel for the F-35 would have been subject to the UK's arms export policy, including considerations of human rights and regional stability. Stopping those components entering the supply chain pool, which includes the same parts from other sources that can go to any other of the many countries that have F-35s, wouldn't mean anything operationally.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

It's a result of the Joint Strike Fighter program, and the UK was the only Tier 1 partner. Some British Companies have licences to supply component parts for the F-35 program. Things like part of the tails and electronics (BAE), parts for the LiftSystem used in F-35B (Rolls-Royce), aerial refuelling parts (Cobham), and others. These parts might - might - make their way to an Israeli plane. The idea that part of a wing or tail fin from a British business makes the government 'complicit in genocide' is actually pathetic and a real desperate reach to be able to say 'Starmer kills kids'. There are components licences issued through licenses granted by the Export Control Joint Unit (ECJU), which operates within the Department for International Trade (DIT). Licenses to export parts to Israel for the F-35 would have been subject to the UK's arms export policy, including considerations of human rights and regional stability. Stopping those components entering the supply chain pool, which includes the same parts from other sources that can go to any other of the many countries that have F-35s, wouldn't mean anything operationally.

 

 

They could ban all parts of arms sales to Israel. If a gun shop owner sells someone for example a silencer or a rifle scope knowing full well it will be used on a gun in a mass killing against innocent people, the shop guy is complicit. 
 

Is Starmer killing children? No course he isn’t. Is he in a position to at least stop some of it? Yeah I reckon he is. Or at least take the correct moral standpoint. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Is Starmer killing children? No course he isn’t. Is he in a position to at least stop some of it? Yeah I reckon he is. Or at least take the correct moral standpoint. 

 

I don't think that's right, to be honest; I don't think banning all sales of components (that amounts to less than 1% of Israel's defence imports) would do anything at all to their offensive capability. These are parts that go into a pool, not directly to Israel. Other countries, like the US, also put the parts in. 

 

I do take your point about the moral standpoint, but I don't think the analogy in your first paragraph is applicable here. Just my view. 

 

[Jairzinho]

We wouldn't look like an utter cunt of a country though.

 

Although presumably he's not arsed.

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

We wouldn't look like an utter cunt of a country though.

 

Although presumably he's not arsed.

 

We would, just to a different group of people.