Israel - A Rant

[Jurgen Knows]

I would make sure my daughter knows all the facts, and then leave it up to her to decide whether she wants to go. She will eventually be exposed to all sorts of people in her life, whether at her friend’s place or somewhere else. It’s the truth that will shield her, nothing else.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Yeah, it’s difficult when kids are involved. The parents in situations like this should want to shield their children from as much of it as possible, especially when you’re in another country and it’s not physically (by way of bombs, blocks and blocks of utter destruction, etc.) as obvious. The issue comes when two children are friends, as they should be allowed to be, but one or both sides are influencing them, telling them things, being racist, or whatever, in front of the kids. They’re like sponges. So it will bleed over. If you’re sure that the Israeli parents are saying stuff, even a talk with some education on how to deal with it if the other kid brings it up… it’s probably needed. 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Daughter is obviously really excited and that makes it worse as we don’t want to come across as arseholes. 
 

My wife’s big thing is that my daughter will overtime develop her own political ideas and may question us on why we allowed her to associate with people who, potentially, support/tacitly support genocide.

 

I imagine there were a lot of conversations like this around apartheid.
 

 

We have and for whatever reason they have really started giving off ‘off’ vibes recently, maybe that’s us being over sensitive or not is the question.

 

We have very deliberately never brought politics into it, but it’s getting more difficult as we knew they were Israeli, but obviously had no idea about their beliefs.

 

 

If they spend all their time spouting propaganda then I’d give them a wide berth. Fuck having myself let alone my kids around that shit. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Cheers, folks.

 

It really is shitty and to the point where we’re questioning if we can keep the kids in the school.

 

They're pretty much the only kids of Arab heritage in a school with a reasonably large and vocal Israeli community.

 

But after everything over the past few years the idea of upheaval for them again seems cruel.

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

If they spend all their time spouting propaganda then I’d give them a wide berth. Fuck having myself let alone my kids around that shit. 

We don’t really know that, we’re kind of guessing based on scant evidence and don’t want it to be us projecting our feelings onto people who are just homesick and miss their families etc and not supporters of what is happening. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

We don’t really know that, we’re kind of guessing based on scant evidence and don’t want it to be us projecting our feelings onto people who are just homesick and miss their families etc and not supporters of what is happening. 

Make her wear a wire. 
 

 

I don’t envy your position one bit. 
 

 

EDIT: apart from the wife bit. I envy that you lucky bastard 

[Jairzinho]

43 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

We have and for whatever reason they have really started giving off ‘off’ vibes recently, maybe that’s us being over sensitive or not is the question.

 

We have very deliberately never brought politics into it, but it’s getting more difficult as we knew they were Israeli, but obviously had no idea about their beliefs.

 

 

Have you prodded them to see how exactly they talk to their kid/s about this stuff?

 

It does sound like they're fully aware of the type of education they've given their kid/s though (and the type of stuff they'll consequently say to yours) and, if that's the case, it does just seem like they're just cunts.

 

My uncle married into an Israeli family and it basically made Christmases fucking awkward for a few years until, finally, we just decided that we'd rather not see them any more. 

 

Such is life.

[TheHowieLama]

Bring them a Finkelstein book as a gift  - that should clear things up pretty quickly and you will know where you stand.

[Planet Origi]

37 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Cheers, folks.

 

It really is shitty and to the point where we’re questioning if we can keep the kids in the school.

 

They're pretty much the only kids of Arab heritage in a school with a reasonably large and vocal Israeli community.

 

But after everything over the past few years the idea of upheaval for them again seems cruel.

 

 

Kind of stupid of stupid to have put her in that school in the first place then I reckon. I mean unlike what most would like to have us believe, this shit didn't start on October 7th...

[Section_31]

It's interesting the situation you describe as the same thing seemed to happen with some Muslim communities post 911 in the UK. They went from jeans and footy shirts to full garb and banning the kids from watching baywatch.

[Bruce Spanner]

19 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Have you prodded them to see how exactly they talk to their kid/s about this stuff?

 

It does sound like they're fully aware of the type of education they've given their kid/s though (and the type of stuff they'll consequently say to yours) and, if that's the case, it does just seem like they're just cunts.

 

My uncle married into an Israeli family and it basically made Christmases fucking awkward for a few years until, finally, we just decided that we'd rather not see them any more. 

 

Such is life.

Not really been opportunity to, our relationship is little more than a nod and a wave at collection times and small talk when we’re picking up/dropping off kids at each others houses.

 

Its only recently they have been more open with us, or at least we think, and the last thing we want to do is conflate them being homesick and sad with actively supporting Israel’s governments actions.

 

But, like yours it’ll be au revoir without thought if its the latter.

[Jairzinho]

22 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Not really been opportunity to, our relationship is little more than a nod and a wave at collection times and small talk when we’re picking up/dropping off kids at each others houses.

 

Its only recently they have been more open with us, or at least we think, and the last thing we want to do is conflate them being homesick and sad with actively supporting Israel’s governments actions.

 

But, like yours it’ll be au revoir without thought if its the latter.

 

I suppose there is also often a bit of putting on a show. I get that occasionally from a couple of the Asian lads I play cricket with. A multitude of external pressures make feel that they have to be more outward/performative with their views. Those that know me better, and know I don't buy it, don't bother.

 

I think as long as your own kids know the score from you, then it doesn't necessarily have to be terminal. 

[Carradona]

8 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Actually this seems like the right place for this.

 

We have a dilemma at the minute with our daughter.

 

My wife is North African Arab, so my kids have this as their cultural heritage.

 

The kids school has quite a few Israeli kids in it, it’s in North London. They’re not Hasidic and in the main the parents seem fine.

 

A few weeks back the kids were invited to an end of term party at one of the Israeli kids and it was fucking weird, flags are everywhere and a real nationalism vibe. We decided our kids would never be allowed there again as we don’t want them exposed to it. They are regular attendees at marches and protests with us so have an understanding, but we tell them this is what we as a family believe and school is separate.

 

My daughter’s best friend is Israeli and has made a few weird remarks when she has been at our house about ‘The Palestinians started this’ without prompt. We’ve met the parents a few times and while not people we’d go out for drinks with they seemed decent enough until the last few weeks where they have started talking about ‘Home’ and how they can’t wait to get back and weird comments about supporting Isreal at the Olympics, which came across really heavy handed.

 

They have arranged a sleep over party for their kids birthday and were really in two minds about if we let our kid go as we don’t want her exposed to that shit, but at the same time don’t want to interfere with her childhood friendships.

 

Any advice? 

Always difficult when the kids start to guilt you and play on your emotions (intentionally or not). If you're in a position to make other plans (cinema and dinner at their favourite place, a night away, or even have some of their other friends round to yours for a sleepover party), perhaps try that.

 

But definitely fuck them flag waving psychopaths, I certainly wouldn't want my kids anywhere near that.

[Carradona]

8 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Actually this seems like the right place for this.

 

We have a dilemma at the minute with our daughter.

 

My wife is North African Arab, so my kids have this as their cultural heritage.

 

The kids school has quite a few Israeli kids in it, it’s in North London. They’re not Hasidic and in the main the parents seem fine.

 

A few weeks back the kids were invited to an end of term party at one of the Israeli kids and it was fucking weird, flags are everywhere and a real nationalism vibe. We decided our kids would never be allowed there again as we don’t want them exposed to it. They are regular attendees at marches and protests with us so have an understanding, but we tell them this is what we as a family believe and school is separate.

 

My daughter’s best friend is Israeli and has made a few weird remarks when she has been at our house about ‘The Palestinians started this’ without prompt. We’ve met the parents a few times and while not people we’d go out for drinks with they seemed decent enough until the last few weeks where they have started talking about ‘Home’ and how they can’t wait to get back and weird comments about supporting Isreal at the Olympics, which came across really heavy handed.

 

They have arranged a sleep over party for their kids birthday and were really in two minds about if we let our kid go as we don’t want her exposed to that shit, but at the same time don’t want to interfere with her childhood friendships.

 

Any advice? 

Always difficult when the kids start to guilt you and play on your emotions (intentionally or not). If you're in a position to make other plans (cinema and dinner at their favourite place, a night away, or even have some of their other friends round to yours for a sleepover party), perhaps try that.

 

But definitely fuck them flag waving psychopaths, I certainly wouldn't want my kids anywhere near that.

[Jurgen Knows]

Another lie exposed:

 

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1832910231434662312?s=46&t=rTM5huSAdkyumn9JrNS_MQ

 

[Jurgen Knows]

Nations League 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

“Our partners”

 

https://x.com/assalrad/status/1833199858712514627?s=46&t=rTM5huSAdkyumn9JrNS_MQ

 

[Jurgen Knows]

The zionists are still killing children in Palestine, in ways that even the filthiest of filthy criminals cannot even imagine.

[Jurgen Knows]

“… the genocidal spark in their eyes”!

 

https://x.com/narrative_hole/status/1833258596827828666?s=46&t=rTM5huSAdkyumn9JrNS_MQ

[Planet Origi]

 

Sad reality of the gullible gammong orcs

[Jurgen Knows]

They don’t believe this.

 

They pretend to believe it.

[Bjornebye]

5 hours ago, Jurgen Knows said:

They don’t believe this.

 

They pretend to believe it.

Of all the stuff you’ve posted this is the most haunting real one. Fair play. 

[Planet Origi]

Probably true, but a worse reality.

Maybe because it reinforces the we are better we have more freedoms self delusion. 

[Jurgen Knows]

Cultural bigotry and double standards. 

[Planet Origi]