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Israel - A Rant


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44 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

Well to be fair you did say comparisons to WW2 were entirely inaccurate and for some unfathomable reason offensive but I’ll let that inconsistency slide. 

On a more serious note, I can see your point but I think it’s wrong. To be fair, if you thought the Israelis were intent on massacring 5.4 million people and only the brave boys of Hamas were there to stop them then of course you wouldn’t want them to surrender. But: 

 

I don’t think anyone seriously believes that Israel either plans to murder 5.4 million people or that the rest of the world would be complicit. The US are already withholding their support after less than 1% of that total have been killed so the idea that they will allow the other 99% to be killed is not  serious.

 

Secondly Hamas are not doing anything at the moment to stop a massacre. The Jews in Warsaw stood up to the Nazis to try and stop the Holocaust but Hamas are hiding in the tunnels not engaging with the IDF at all so them surrendering won’t make any difference at all. 
 

I stand by my assertion that the quickest and least lethal way for this to end is for Hamas to unconditionally surrender, give back the hostages, blow up the tunnels, hand over the billions in stolen aid and allow the UN to run an interim Government until democracy can be restored. 
 

 


Because all your assertions are based on the propaganda lines Israel trot out again and again as justification for what their extreme far right government are enacting (the lunatics are running the asylum and they’re acting out their fantasies), and you are supporting.

 

It’s like saying that the quickest and easiest way to restore peace in the Middle East would be for Israel to abandon the idea of an ethno-religious Jewish state, make it secular and allow all of the Palestinians to be citizens of this democratic state alongside the Jews. Hamas would cease to exist in that very moment as there would be no reason for them to exist. So why don’t they just do that?

And give back the hundreds of billions of munitions and aid the west has given them over the last 50 years plus (which gets misappropriated as evidenced that the prime minister is carrying on this war specifically because he will get tried and jailed for bribery corruption and embezzlement as soon as he is out of power). And release the thousands of palestinian prisoners, many of them children held without due process in Israeli jails for sometimes years. Why don’t they just do that?

 

The reason you don’t want to see the equivalence is because these people aren’t equal in your eyes. Hamas and Palestinians are brown and bad, and should do what the good guys tell them is best for them. And in your eyes Israel fall under the banner of ‘the west’ so are white and therefore good.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, A Red said:

Quite how anyone can dismiss the above as being tory is well beyond me.


You are the only person to use the word Tory in all of this. 

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2 minutes ago, Anubis said:


You are the only person to use the word Tory in all of this. 


To be fair I did. “Tory” meaning right wing cunt but still. I used it, more than once I think. I think someone’s just fishing, poorly. 

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1 minute ago, Captain Willard said:

It’s a simple question, what’s the best outcome for the Gazan population, a Hamas unconditional surrender and an interim UN government or a continuation of the war ?
 

I am bemused that all these posters who tell the rest of us they are definitely not anti semites and only “care” about the civilian population are reduced to just pointless abuse becuase I suggested this as a way forward. Surely if your only motivation is becuase you “care” so much about the Palestinians relative to the rest of us then a surrender of the Hamas dictatorship which saves lives is a great outcome? 

You are making a very big assumption here not supported by the statements and actions so far from Israel.

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13 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

It’s a simple question, what’s the best outcome for the Gazan population, a Hamas unconditional surrender and an interim UN government or a continuation of the war ?
 

I am bemused that all these posters who tell the rest of us they are definitely not anti semites and only “care” about the civilian population are reduced to just pointless abuse becuase I suggested this as a way forward. Surely if your only motivation is becuase you “care” so much about the Palestinians relative to the rest of us then a surrender of the Hamas dictatorship, return of the stolen billions of aid and no more deaths is a great outcome? 

 

I'd suggest that the quickest and easiest way is for Israel to stop dropping bombs (can be done straight away) and illegally annexing land (stop Americans emigrating). You've not suggested that though so I guess you are a bit of an anti-Semite too. Worse still, you think the oppressed should be oppressed further, is that because they don't have the same skin colour as you?

 

What a racist loon.

 

(Is this how it works?)

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

So becuase I said the best outcome for the Gazan civilian population is for the Hamas dictatorship to surrender I’m both an anti semite and a racist ? This is the level of debate we are at now ? 

 

Why should Hamas surrender?

Why shouldn't Israel comply with UN law?

Why didn't you lay out all the options and only suggest that the oppressed should have a different set of oppressors?

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12 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

Why should Hamas surrender?

Why shouldn't Israel comply with UN law?

Why didn't you lay out all the options and only suggest that the oppressed should have a different set of oppressors?


Well at least it’s out in the open now.  Support of terrorists.  

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1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:


Well at least it’s out in the open now.  Support of terrorists.  

 

What, Gazans are terrorists?

 

You do know what collectively referring to a group of people is right?

 

I mean, you barely hid it previously but it's out on the open as of last night. 

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3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

What, Gazans are terrorists?

 

You do know what collectively referring to a group of people is right?

 

I mean, you barely hid it previously but it's out on the open as of last night. 

You said Hamas.  I know this because it’s there.  

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9 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

I've not deleted it. I was asking a question, I wasn't making a statement.

 

I can't read it for you.

Ha. In that case the answer is because they are religious fundamentalist, terrorists who are using the death of Palestinians to make themselves rich.  Got to agree with that haven’t you?  

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12 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Ha. In that case the answer is because they are religious fundamentalist, terrorists who are using the death of Palestinians to make themselves rich.  Got to agree with that haven’t you?  

 

Haven't ever disagreed with that. I just disagree with collective punishment, that is a war crime, and then it being suggested that Gazans hope the UN gives them a hand. Not sure if Willard has noticed that Israel hasn't paid much heed to the UN. I'm sure they bombed some of their aid relief helpers a few weeks back.

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1 hour ago, Captain Willard said:

I think it’s a reasonable assumption that if Hamas unconditionally surrendered to a UN peacekeeping force and released the hostages, the US would force Israel to play ball. Israel has no intention of starting a war with their biggest ally. 


Again, this isn’t a reasonable assumption.

 

Israel has since 1967, and in massively increased force since their incredibly right wing government was formed in the last few years, been actively pursuing a policy of increasing settlement building in the West Bank, which is illegal under international law. Settlement building involves forcibly displacing Palestinians from their land. This is in the West Bank where Hamas isn’t the governing authority. Nothing to do

with Hamas whatsoever.

Nobody is stopping them doing this, even now.

 

Israel has also broken international law continuously during the past many number of years with regards to their treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza (and the West Bank)
 

Israel have also stated openly, in the last week, they will do whatever they want irrespective of what any other nation thinks.

 

There is no scenario where there is a validity to Hamas ‘surrendering’ to a UN peacekeeping force. You’ve just made it up to distract from the reality of the situation.

 

Indeed, there is a UN agency, the URNWA which is key to providing aid to the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel accused this agency of supporting Hamas leading to the withdrawal of funding and the starvation of children. Israel has produced no evidence to support this claim. 

 

You can take this as ‘an insult’ if you like, it’s more of a statement of the facts based on the narrative of your 

posts, but your perspective is based on the fact you see the brown people as the bad guys and lesser, and the white people as superior and the good guys.

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4 minutes ago, etho said:


There is no scenario where there is a validity to Hamas ‘surrendering’ to a UN peacekeeping force. You’ve just made it up to distract from the reality of the situation.

 

That’s exactly what he wants. Distraction.


Old Zionist tactics that nobody falls for any more.

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3 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

The reality ofvyh 

That’s just nonsense. You make these unfounded accusations of racism to obscure the issue. My opinion is that the best thing for the Gazan population is to get rid of Hamas. Anything else leaves 5.4 million people living under a brutal dictatorship which has stolen billions of dollars and denied the population basic human rights. A ceasefire would leave this dictatorship in place and actually embolden it. If you genuinely cared about the ‘brown’ people as you say you wouldn’t want them to live under the Hamas dictatorship. 


Jews are white enough some of the time, brown enough the rest of the time.  

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30 minutes ago, etho said:

There is no scenario where there is a validity to Hamas ‘surrendering’ to a UN peacekeeping force. You’ve just made it up to distract from the reality of the situation.

 

 

C'mon, Etho, don't be like that. Fantasy Israel will surely give all the land back, knock the wall down, repeal their gas explorartion licences, provide each surviving Gazan with their own personal unicorn, and hold tea parties with talking animals. Fantasy guaranteed!

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2 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

It’s a simple question, what’s the best outcome for the Gazan population, a Hamas unconditional surrender and an interim UN government or a continuation of the war ?
 

I am bemused that all these posters who tell the rest of us they are definitely not anti semites and only “care” about the civilian population are reduced to just pointless abuse becuase I suggested this as a way forward. Surely if your only motivation is becuase you “care” so much about the Palestinians relative to the rest of us then a surrender of the Hamas dictatorship, return of the stolen billions of aid and no more deaths is a great outcome? 


 

Stop asking questions when you won’t answer any. 

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