Israel - A Rant

[Hades]

11 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Imagine, the kind of twats who allow love and hope to persist in the face of violence and hatred.

 

Those people are the worst!

Come off it.

 

Both sides are breeding like rabbits to win their demographic war. Love, hope and concern for kids has nothing to do with it. This is more important than taking sides.

[General Dryness]

9 hours ago, stringvest said:

A phwoaar zone?

Dont get caught in No Mans Hand.

 

Job.

[stringvest]

7 hours ago, Hades said:

Come off it.

 

Both sides are breeding like rabbits to win their demographic war. Love, hope and concern for kids has nothing to do with it. This is more important than taking sides.

The demographic war I can see in the case of Israel,  but it butters absolutely no parsnips as far as the Palestinians are concerned.  No-one gives a fuck about how many Palestinians are being killed or ethnically cleansed.   

[Hades]

12 minutes ago, stringvest said:

The demographic war I can see in the case of Israel,  but it butters absolutely no parsnips as far as the Palestinians are concerned.  No-one gives a fuck about how many Palestinians are being killed or ethnically cleansed.   

True, not even by their own parents.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Hades said:

Come off it.

 

Both sides are breeding like rabbits to win their demographic war. Love, hope and concern for kids has nothing to do with it. This is more important than taking sides.

Fascist-Hades is a dimwitted bore.

[stringvest]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Fascist-Hades is a dimwitted bore.

I'm struggling to keep up.  It's obviously my age.  Has he jumped the sickle?

 

[Anubis]

12 minutes ago, stringvest said:

I'm struggling to keep up.  It's obviously my age.  Has he jumped the sickle?

 

 

It’s been like watching a public school graduate go to university, get inspired, join Greenpeace, before accepting a top job at daddy’s oil drilling company.

[stringvest]

1 minute ago, Anubis said:

 

It’s been like watching a public school graduate go to university, get inspired, join Greenpeace, before accepting a top job at daddy’s oil drilling company.

 

haha!  

[Hades]

11 hours ago, Anubis said:

 

It’s been like watching a public school graduate go to university, get inspired, join Greenpeace, before accepting a top job at daddy’s oil drilling company.

Sadly untrue. More like I've fallen into an even bigger pit of despair after realising leftism won't solve existential angst.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Hades said:

Sadly untrue. More like I've fallen into an even bigger pit of despair after realising leftism won't solve existential angst.

Here's a spoiler for the next chapter: misanthropic nihilism provides even fewer answers, but takes you to darker places.

 

I'd recommend you skip that chapter. 

[Jairzinho]

Where could someone get hold of a copy of this book?

[Sugar Ape]

Pretty hard read.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

 

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

 

Radio exchange contradicts army version of Gaza killing

 

An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.

 

The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month. 

 

A tape recording of radio exchanges between soldiers involved in the incident, played on Israeli television, contradicts the army's account of the events and appears to show that the captain shot the girl in cold blood. 

 

The official account claimed that Iman was shot as she walked towards an army post with her schoolbag because soldiers feared she was carrying a bomb.

 

But the tape recording of the radio conversation between soldiers at the scene reveals that, from the beginning, she was identified as a child and at no point was a bomb spoken about nor was she described as a threat. Iman was also at least 100 yards from any soldier. 

 

Instead, the tape shows that the soldiers swiftly identified her as a "girl of about 10" who was "scared to death". 

 

The tape also reveals that the soldiers said Iman was headed eastwards, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot. 

 

At that point, Captain R took the unusual decision to leave the post in pursuit of the girl. He shot her dead and then "confirmed the kill" by emptying his magazine into her body. 

 

The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.

 

The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." 

 

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" 

 

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." 

 

A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts. 

 

The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out." 

 

The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless. 

 

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over." 

 

Witnesses described how the captain shot Iman twice in the head, walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body. Doctors at Rafah's hospital said she had been shot at least 17 times. 

 

On the tape, the company commander then "clarifies" why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

 

The army's original account of the killing said that the soldiers only identified Iman as a child after she was first shot. But the tape shows that they were aware just how young the small, slight girl was before any shots were fired. 

 

The case came to light after soldiers under the command of Captain R went to an Israeli newspaper to accuse the army of covering up the circumstances of the killing. 

 

A subsequent investigation by the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically".

 

However, the military police launched an investigation, which resulted in charges against the unit commander. 

 

Iman's parents have accused the army of whitewashing the affair by filing minor charges against Captain R. They want him prosecuted for murder. 

 

[SammyAftershave]

Hopefully Gerard Butler rewards him with a new telescopic sight when he gets weighed in with his 'act of God' insurance money.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Evil, pure evil in this world. 

[Jairzinho]

How the fuck can anyone support this?

[Anubis]

Just read that properly now. No words. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Yeah, sounds bloody horrendous. 

[Bjornebye]

The sad thing is, they are doing it all the time. Fucking sick animals. Never any sanctions placed on them this murderous fucking nation of cunts though is there. I hate this world. 

[Grinch]

The world would be a better place with Israel wiped off the map.   

[Anubis]

No it wouldn’t. It’d be a better place if we had an Israeli government dedicated to a two state solution, fair and equitable treatment of the Palestinians, and reigning in illegal settlements.

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

No it wouldn’t. It’d be a better place if we had an Israeli government dedicated to a two state solution, fair and equitable treatment of the Palestinians, and reigning in illegal settlements.

I’m leaning towards a democratic one state solution with all the citizens having equal rights. 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I’m leaning towards a democratic one state solution with all the citizens having equal rights. 

Hamas can't even peacefully co-exist with Fatah, it's complete fantasy to suppose they can co-exist with Jews.

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Hamas can't even peacefully co-exist with Fatah, it's complete fantasy to suppose they can co-exist with Jews.

Any thoughts on Captain R ? Not antagonising you just curious what your take is. 

[aRdja]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Hamas can't even peacefully co-exist with Fatah, it's complete fantasy to suppose they can co-exist with Jews.

Israel’s oppression is Hamas’s raison d’etre.

[Strontium]

20 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Any thoughts on Captain R ? Not antagonising you just curious what your take is. 

I can't say I'm happy about it, but it's old news, it happened in 2004. The officer was acquitted too, which caused a bit of a stir.

 

Incidentally, Captain R was an Israeli Arab.