Israel - A Rant

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I think the one thing Israel could never be accused of doing is taking proportionate action. They definitely play by Chicago rules. Still, there's a nice quote about being the change you want to see in the world. I think if Palestine had a Mandela or a Gandhi they wouldn't be in this hopeless and unwinnable situation.

"Chicago rules" is a glib and deeply illiberal way to describe crimes against humanity.

 

Mandela led an armed resistance movement. Maybe Arafat was the Palestinian Mandela you're looking for.

 

Do you seriously imagine that a nonviolent Palestinian resistance movement could win in the face of relentless, racist, US-backed aggression?

[Strontium]

Well, I don't see the Palestinians winning an actual war against Israel. Even the entire Arab world couldn't manage that. That doesn't leave many options other than peaceful resistance.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Well, I don't see the Palestinians winning an actual war against Israel. Even the entire Arab world couldn't manage that. That doesn't leave many options other than peaceful resistance.

What do you think the periods between the sporadic uprisings consist of?

 

There are countless demonstrations, appeals to the international community, strikes, etc.  How far does that get them?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

As a liberal, are you not appalled by a state operating "Chicago rules" of violence against civilians?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

http://www.msf.org/en/article/palestine-msf-teams-gaza-observe-unusually-severe-and-devastating-gunshot-injuries

 

MSF medical teams note the injuries include an extreme level of destruction to bones and soft tissue, and large exit wounds that can be the size of a fist.

 

“Half of the more than 500 patients we have admitted in our clinics have injuries where the bullet has literally destroyed tissue after having pulverized the bone”, said Marie-Elisabeth Ingres, Head of Mission of MSF in Palestine. “These patients will need to have very complex surgical operations and most of them will have disabilities for life.”

 

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Further, the 4 dead today include a 14 year old boy shot in the back of the head and a man in his 20's who had part of the top of his skull blown away.

 

Utter filthy, murderous scum.

[Moo]

As a liberal, are you not appalled by a state operating "Chicago rules" of violence against civilians?

I don't actully know what "Chicago rules" means but it does seem a rather casual way if describing atrocities.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I don't actully know what "Chicago rules" means but it does seem a rather casual way if describing atrocities.

Think Sean Connery in The Untouchables- "They put one of ours in the hospital; we put one of theirs in the morgue."

 

Now scale it up to the point where Sean Connery is using a wàrship to murder children playing on a beach.

[Gym Beglin]

I think what I’m getting tired of is the way in which being Jewish has absolutely nothing to do with religion and instead acts more like a trade union.

 

I’m much more worried about Islamaphobia, which is almost certainly something that will mean I’m anti-Semitic.

 

Meh. Suck a dick.

[Creator Supreme]

Hang on funnneeeee, acts like a trade union? Care to expand?

[Gym Beglin]

Hang on funnneeeee, acts like a trade union? Care to expand?

Bit like what you’re doing now.

 

“Whoa, what did you say, or insinuate, about our religion/ethnicity/country/history? We’ll get our heavies (USA) to teach you a lesson”

 

“But I was just questioning why a group of rich people should be running global media and credit lines”

 

“Oh, I bet you were, all the Jews yeah?”

 

“No, I don’t think the Bilderberg group are Jewish, just greedy insidious cunts”

 

“You are anti-Semitic”

 

“Why?”

 

“As if you don’t know”

 

“What?”

 

“My grandfather was in Auschwitz”

 

“I’m not sure why you’ve brought that up”

 

“Because we thought anti-semitism was behind us”

 

“”I hate racism and xenophobia, of all kinds”

 

“You should hate anti-semitism more than you hate anything else”

 

“I’m tired and I need to stop walking to you”

 

“I’m going to share with conversation with David Baddiel on Twitter, and some Tories”

 

“Fucks sake, you’re actually making me dislike you now”

 

“Disgusting”

 

“Apparently so.”

[Creator Supreme]

Bit like what you’re doing now.

 

“Whoa, what did you say, or insinuate, about our religion/ethnicity/country/history? We’ll get our heavies (USA) to teach you a lesson”

 

“But I was just questioning why a group of rich people should be running global media and credit lines”

 

“Oh, I bet you were, all the Jews yeah?”

 

“No, I don’t think the Bilderberg group are Jewish, just greedy insidious cunts”

 

“You are anti-Semitic”

 

“Why?”

 

“As if you don’t know”

 

“What?”

 

“My grandfather was in Auschwitz”

 

“I’m not sure why you’ve brought that up”

 

“Because we thought anti-semitism was behind us”

 

“”I hate racism and xenophobia, of all kinds”

 

“You should hate anti-semitism more than you hate anything else”

 

“I’m tired and I need to stop walking to you”

 

“I’m going to share with conversation with David Baddiel on Twitter, and some Tories”

 

“Fucks sake, you’re actually making me dislike you now”

 

“Disgusting”

 

“Apparently so.”

Nice rant, still don't get your point about trade unions.

[aRdja]

Three Palestinian protesters shot dead and two in critical conditions last night. These guys march with the knowledge that they will be shot. Real sad times.

[Jairzinho]

Three Palestinian protesters shot dead and two in critical conditions last night. These guys march with the knowledge that they will be shot. Real sad times.

 

I think we sold some of the snipers used to murder civilians there. Makes you proud to be British. Supporting Saudi Arabia and Israel, two of the most hateful countries on the planet.

[Strontium]

Three Palestinian protesters shot dead and two in critical conditions last night. These guys march with the knowledge that they will be shot. Real sad times.

They do a little more than "march".

[aRdja]

They do a little more than "march".

Not much more. From the reports that I’ve read from the guardian, no indication that they’re armed for example.

[Strontium]

Not much more. From the reports that I’ve read from the guardian, no indication that they’re armed for example.

Trying to breach a border fence is quite a bit more than just marching.

[aRdja]

Another one shot dead. Just 15 years of age. FFS. Just show them mercy you fucking lunatics.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/palestinians-teen-shot-by-israeli-fire-at-gaza-protests-dies-1.6033439

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Trying to breach a border fence is quite a bit more than just marching.

Yeah. And all those reporters they've shot were waving their cameras really, really aggressively. What do they expect?

[aRdja]

Trying to breach a border fence is quite a bit more than just marching.

It’s not a border unfort. Please see below tweet from a Haaretz journalist. Worth a follow on Twitter.

 

[Strontium]

It’s not a border unfort.

Palestine has declared itself a separate state, so it's a border. Pretty straightforward.

[aRdja]

It’s a really sad situation. Unfortunately the current toxic environment re anti semitism in UK politics would make it difficult for our politicians to criticise this horrible crime against humanity.

[aRdja]

Interesting viewpoint.

 

[Em City]

Fuck off, aRdja, you big terrorist apologist.

 

They were probably throwing rocks as well.

[aRdja]

Fuck off, aRdja, you big terrorist apologist.

 

They were probably throwing rocks as well.

https://972mag.com/youre-far-more-likely-to-be-killed-protesting-in-gaza-than-firing-a-rocket/134952/

 

Israeli military forces have killed more unarmed Palestinians participating in the Great Return March protests in Gaza since March 30, during which time no rockets or mortars were fired into Israel, than it did in the preceding 16 months during which time Palestinian groups fired dozens of projectiles into Israel.

[Em City]

https://972mag.com/youre-far-more-likely-to-be-killed-protesting-in-gaza-than-firing-a-rocket/134952/

 

Israeli military forces have killed more unarmed Palestinians participating in the Great Return March protests in Gaza since March 30, during which time no rockets or mortars were fired into Israel, than it did in the preceding 16 months during which time Palestinian groups fired dozens of projectiles into Israel.

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable national defence strategy behind all these killings.

 

Move along, nothing to see here.