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Israel - A Rant


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Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

They don't. You're thinking of the Palestinians. I'm talking about Arab citizens of Israel, who the Guardian seems to think are Palestinians.

Are you stating that Arab homes haven't been demolished within Israeli territory? 

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Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Correct. They demolish homes within the occupied Palestinian territories.

I'll save that one thank you. Also, if a regime is having UN Sanctions imposed against it, would you agree that they must be committing atrocities? 

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"In Israel it is essentially the homes of Palestinian citizens of Israel (Israeli Arabs) which are targeted for demolition. House demolition in the Arab sector is linked to the state’s policy of large-scale confiscation of land and to restrictive planning regulations."

 

https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/100000/mde150332004en.pdf

 

Interesting read this. 

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8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Also, if a regime is having UN Sanctions imposed against it, would you agree that they must be committing atrocities? 

 

Not necessarily. But I don't think there are any UN sanctions upon any countries at the moment.

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20 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

It's an easy mistake to make, by the Guardian. For example, you've got loads of Americans, Russians and Poles etc who think that they're actually Israeli. 

Didn't they all voluntarily emigrate there for exactly that purpose though? 

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14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Not necessarily. But I don't think there are any UN sanctions upon any countries at the moment.

Translated as "well yes if it wasn't against my agenda" What about the dozens you mentioned? Where they not sanctions for evil acts?

 

Have you read the amnesty international article? 

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Just now, Bjornebye said:

Translated as "well yes if it wasn't against my agenda" What about the dozens you mentioned? Where they not sanctions for evil acts?

 

UN resolutions aren't sanctions.

 

If you can be clearer about what you are referring to, I can answer your odd questions more accurately.

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Oh hang on...... I'm sure you said the past doesn't count in arguments once......  

 

1947:

November 29, 1947

Resolution 181: Recommending partition of the British Mandate for Palestine into Arab and Jewish states, and international status for the City of Jerusalem.

1948:

December 11: Resolution 194: establishes Conciliation Commission; protection of and free access to Jerusalem and other Holy Places; Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible

1949:

May 11: Resolution 273: admission of Israel to membership in the UN

December 9: Resolution 303(IV): International Regime for Jerusalem

December 10: Resolution 356: Jerusalem

1950:

December 14: Resolution 468: Reduces financing for an international regime in Jerusalem.

1952:

January 26: Resolution 512: Report of the United Nations Concilation Commission for Palestine.

December 21: Resolution 619: "Takes note" of Israel's complaint against Arab ceasefire violations.

1956:

November 2: Resolution 997: Called for an immediate ceasefire in the Suez Crisis, an arms embargo on the area, and condemned Israel's participation in the conflict as a violation of the 1949 Israel-Egypt General Armistice Agreement.

November 4: Resolution 998: Called for the Secretary-General to submit a plan for a United Nations peacekeeping force to secure and supervise a ceasefire in the Suez Crisis.

November 4: Resolution 999: Reaffirmed UN General Assembly Resolution 997.

November 5: Resolution 1000: UN Force for Sinai.

November 7: Resolution 1001: UN Force for Sinai.

November 7: Resolution 1002: Calls for an unconditional Israeli withdrawal from the Sinai.

November 10: Resolution 1003: The Suez Crisis.

November 24: Resolution 1120: The Suez Crisis.

November 24: Resolution 1121: The Suez Crisis.

November 26: Resolution 1122: The Suez Crisis.

November 26: Resolution 1089: Regarding the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF).

1957:

January 19: Resolution 1123: The Suez Crisis.

February 2: Resolution 1124: The Suez Crisis.

February 2: Resolution 1125: The Suez Crisis.

February 22: Resolution 1126: The Suez Crisis.

February 27: Resolution 1090: Administrative and financial arrangements for the UNEF.

November 22: Resolution 1151: UNEF.

1958:

August 21: Resolution 1237: The Situation in the Middle East.

November 14: Resolution 1263: UNEF

December 13: Resolution 1337: Cost estimates for the UNEF.

1959:

December 5: Resolution 1441: UNEF.

December 5: Resolution 1442: Approvement of Major-General Gyani as commander of the UNEF.

1960:

December 20: Resolution 1575: Cost estimates for the UNEF.

1961:

December 20: Resolution 1733: Cost estimates for the UNEF.

1962:

December 20: Resolution 1864: UNEF.

1963

June 27: UN Special Assembly Resolution 1874.

June 27: UN Special Assembly Resolution 1875.

December 17: Resolution 1983 UNEF.

1965:

December 21: Resolution 2115: UNEF.

1966:

December 16: Resolution 2194: UNEF.

1967:

July 4: Resolution 2252: Humanitarian assistance in the 1967 war.

July 4: Resolution 2253 (ES-V): Condemns Israel's measures to change the status of Jerusalem as invalid

July 14: Resolution 2254: "Deplores" Israel's failure to abide by UN General Assembly Resolution 2253 (ES-V)

July 21: Resolution 2256: The Situation in the Middle East

September 18: Resolution 2257: The Situation in the Middle East.

December 13: Resolution 2304: UNEF.

1968:

December 19: Resolution 2443: Establishes the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People.

1969:

December 11: Resolution 2546: Condemns Israeli "violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms" in the occupied territories

1970:

November 4: Resolution 2628: Urges the speedy implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 and recognizes that "respect for the rights of the Palestinians is an indisputable element in the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East"

December 5: Resolution 2727: Calls on Israel implement the recommendations of the UN special committee investigating Israeli practices in the occupied territories

December 15: Resolution 2728: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.

1971:

December 6: Resolution 2792: UNRWA Report. Calls for the implementation of UN General Assembly Resolution 194, stresses the "inalienable rights of the people of Palestine", and calls on Israel to stop resettling the inhabitants of Palestinian refugee camps.

December 13: Resolution 2799: The Situation in the Middle East.

December 20: Resolution 2851: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories. Condemns Israeli practices in the occupied territories.

1972:

December 8: Resolution 2949: The Situation in the Middle East.

December 15: Resolution 3005: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.

1973:

December 7: Resolution 3092: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.

December 11: Resolution 3101: Financing of the UNEF.

December 17: Resolution 3175: Permanent sovereignty over natural resources in the occupied Arab territories.

1974:

October 31 and November 29: Resolution 3211: Financing of the UNEF and the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF).

November 29: Resolution 3240: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

November 29: Resolution 3246: Affirms the legitimacy of armed resistance by oppressed peoples in pursuit of the right to self-determination, and condemns governments which do not support that right

December 9: Resolution 3263: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 17: Resolution 3336: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

1975:

October 30, November 28 and December 2: Resolution 3374: Financing of the UNEF and the UNDOF.

November 10: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379: equating Zionism with racism.

December 5: Resolution 3414: Calls for economic sanctions and an arms embargo on Israel until it withdraws from all territories occupied in 1967 and grants the Palestinians their "inalienable national rights".

December 11: Resolution 3474: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 15: Resolution 3516: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

December 15: Resolution 3525: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

1976:

November 9: Resolution 31/6-E: Condemnation of the collaboration of Israel and South Africa.

November 24: Resolution 31/20: Expresses deep concern that no "just solution" to the "problem of Palestine" has been achieved, refers to the problem as the core of the Middle East conflict, and reaffirms the "inalienable rights" of the Palestinians, including the right of return and the right to national independence.

December 1: Resolution 31/5: Financing of the UNEF and the UNDOF.

December 9: Resolution 31/61: Reaffirms previous condemnations of Israel, and calls for the Security Council to take "effective measures" against Israel, and requests sanctions on Israel.

December 9: Resolution 31/62: Calls for an international Middle East peace conference under the auspices of the UN and co-chaired by the United States and Soviet Union.

December 10: Resolution 31/71: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 16: Resolution 31/106: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Occupied Territories.

December 21: Resolution 31/186: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

1977:

October 25 and December 2: Resolution 32/4: Financing of the UNEF and the UNDOF.

October 28: Resolution 32/5: Reaffirms previous condemnations of Israel, and stresses the "urgent need" to achieve a "just and lasting peace in the Middle East".

November 25: Resolution 32/20: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and an international peace conference with PLO participation.

December 2: Resolution 32/40: Reaffirms the "inalienable rights of the Palestinian people", including the right to national sovereignty and the right of return.

December 12: Resolution 32/82: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 13: Resolution 32/91: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories. Calls on Israel to respect the Geneva Conventions

December 19: Resolution 32/161: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

1978:

November 3: Resolution 33/13: Financing of the UNEF and the UNDOF.

December 7: Resolution 33/29: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and an international peace conference with PLO participation.

December 14: Resolution 33/64: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 14: Resolution 33/71-A: Expressing concern over military build-up and attempts of acquiring nuclear weapons of Israel. Calling for arms embargo against Israel.

December 18: Resolution 33/113: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

1979:

January 24: Resolution 33/183-D: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

October 25, December 3 and December 17: Resolution 34/7: Financing of the UNEF and the UNDOF.

November 16: Resolution 34/29: Expressing concern over the deportation of the Bassam Shakaa, Mayor of Nablus, by Israel.

December 6: Resolution 34/70: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and an international peace conference with PLO participation.

December 11: Resolution 34/77: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 11: Resolution 34/89: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 12: Resolution 34/90: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 12: Resolution 34/93-P: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 14: Resolution 34/136: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

1980:

December 1: Resolution 35/45: Financing of UNDOF.

December 5: Resolution 35/110: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

December 11: Resolution 35/122: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 12: Resolution 35/147: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 12: Resolution 35/157: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 16: Resolution 35/206-H: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 16: Resolution 35/207: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and the establishment of a Palestinian state.

1981:

October 28: Resolution 36/15: Demanding that Israel desist any archaeological excavations in the Temple Mount.

November 13: Resolution 36/27: Condemns Israeli attack on Iraqi nuclear facilities and demands Israel to compensate Iraq.

November 30: Resolution 36/66: Financing of UNDOF.

December 9: Resolution 36/87: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 9: Resolution 36/98: Israeli nuclear armament. Demands that Israel renounce possession of nuclear weapons and submit its facilities to inspection.

December 16: Resolution 36/147: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 16: Resolution 36/150: Demands Israel to cease planning of a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.

December 17: Resolution 36/172-M: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 17: Resolution 36/173: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Arab territories.

December 17: UN General Assembly Resolutions 36/226 A & B: Reaffirms previous calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and the establishment of a Palestinian state.

1982:

February 5: Ninth Emergency Special Session ES/9-1: The situation in the occupied Arab territories.

November 16: Resolution 37/18: Condemns Israel refusal to implement Security Council resolution 487, and demands Israel to withdraw its threat to attack nuclear facilities of neighbouring nations.

November 30: Resolution 37/38: Financing of UNDOF.

December 9: Resolution 37/75: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 9: Resolution 37/82: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 10: Resolution 37/88: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 16: Resolution 37/122: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.

December 16: Resolution 37/123: Condemnation of Israel's alleged responsibility for the Sabra and Shatila massacre by Kataeb Party in Beirut, Lebanon; resolves that the massacre was an act of genocide; condemns acts of plundering Palestinian cultural heritage; condemns the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights; and condemns the annexation of Jerusalem.

December 17: Resolution 37/135: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Palestinian and other Arab territories.

December 20: Resolution 37/222: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.

1983:

November 10: Resolution 38/9: Reiterates the demand that Israel withdraw its threat to attack nuclear facilities of neighbouring nations.

December 1: Resolution 38/35: Financing of UNDOF.

December 5: Resolution 38/39-F: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 13: Resolution 38/64: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 15: Resolution 38/69: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 15: Resolutions 38/79: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 15: Resolution 38/85: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.

December 19: Resolution 38/144: Permanent sovereignty over national resources in the occupied Palestinian and other Arab territories.

December 19: Resolution 38/166: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.

December 19: Resolutions 38/180: Calls all nation to suspend or sever all diplomatic, economic and technological ties with Israel. Condemnation of Israel on various topics including occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights, war in Lebanon and the annexation of Jerusalem.

1984:

November 23: Resolution 39/14: Reiterates the demand that Israel withdraw its threat to attack nuclear facilities of neighbouring nations.

November 30: Resolution 39/28: Financing of UNDOF.

December 12: Resolution 39/54: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 13: Resolution 39/72-C: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 14: Resolutions 39/95: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 14: Resolution 39/101: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.

December 14: Resolution 39/146: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.

December 17: Resolution 39/147: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 17: Resolution 39/169: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.

December 18: Resolution 39/223: Economic development projects in the occupied Palestinian territories.

1985:

November 1: Resolution 40/6: Reaffirmation of the condemnation of Israel on its attack on Iraqi nuclear facility.

December 2: Resolution 40/59: Financing of UNDOF.

December 10: Resolution 40/64-E: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 12: Resolution 40/82: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 12: Resolution 40/93: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 16: Resolutions 40/161: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 16: Resolution 40/167: Decides to monitor Israel decision to construct a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.

December 16: Resolution 40/168: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.

December 17: Resolution 40/169: Economic development projects in the occupied Palestinian territories.

December 17: Resolution 40/201: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.

1986:

October 29: Resolution 41/12: Calling Israel to place its nuclear facilities under supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

November 10: Resolution 41/35-C: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 3: Resolution 41/44: Financing of UNDOF.

December 3: Resolution 41/48: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 3: Resolutions 41/63: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 4: Resolution 41/93: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 4: Resolution 41/162: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.

1987:

November 20: Resolution 42/23-D: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

November 30: Resolution 42/28: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

November 30: Resolution 42/44: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 3: Resolution 42/70: Financing of UNDOF.

December 8: Resolutions 42/160: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 11: Resolution 42/166: Assistance to the Palestinian people.

December 11: Resolution 42/190: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.

December 11: Resolution 42/209: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.

1988:

April 20: Resolution 43/233: Expressing shock over killing of Palestinian civilians in Nahalin.

November 3: Resolution 43/21: The First Palestinian Intifada.

December 5: Resolution 43/50-E: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.

December 6: Resolution 43/54: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.

December 6: Resolutions 43/58: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.

December 7: Resolution 43/65: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

December 7: Resolution 43/80: Israeli nuclear armament.

December 15: UN General Assembly Resolution 43/176: International Peace Conference; principles for peace

December 21: Resolution 43/228: Financing of UNDOF.

1991:

December 16: Resolution 4686: annulled Res. 3379

2012

March 29: Resolution 66/225: Exploitation of natural resources.

2017

December 21: Resolution A/ES-10L.22: Criticizing US policy on Jerusalem.

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2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

UN resolutions aren't sanctions.

 

If you can be clearer about what you are referring to, I can answer your odd questions more accurately.

Fair enough, nice wriggling as usual. Would you agree that a number of the above listed 'resolutions' condemning Israel are due to evil behaviour? 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Fair enough, nice wriggling as usual. Would you agree that a number of the above listed 'resolutions' condemning Israel are due to evil behaviour? 

 

It's clear that Israel's behaviour sometimes falls below the standards which we would consider acceptable, and I'm sure a number of those resolutions refer to such occasions.

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5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It's clear that Israel's behaviour sometimes falls below the standards which we would consider acceptable, and I'm sure a number of those resolutions refer to such occasions.

I guess thats as good as I'm going to get from someone like you in terms of admitting they are committing and have been committing evil atrocities against innocent people. Hamas firing rockets into Gaza deserve to be retaliated against and Israel has an advanced enough military to go and do just that. Committing genocide against innocent people anywhere else generally ends up with an invasion/intervention of some sort. I often wonder why Israel doesn't suffer the same consequences.  

 

Do you still stand by Israel not demolishing Arab properties within Israeli territory? It's ok to be wrong from time to time SD. Trust me, I know about being wrong, I'm not trying to point score I'd just like to see if it's ignorance to reality or just lies. 

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JERUSALEM (AP) — One of the world’s best-known human rights groups said Tuesday that Israel is guilty of the international crimes of apartheid and persecution because of discriminatory policies toward Palestinians within its own borders and in the occupied territories.

In a sweeping, 213-page report, the New York-based Human Rights Watch joins a growing number of commentators and rights groups who view the conflict not primarily as a land dispute but as a single regime in which Palestinians — who make up roughly half the population of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza — are systematically denied basic rights granted to Jews.

Israel adamantly rejects that characterization, saying its Arab minority enjoys full civil rights. It views Gaza, from which it withdrew soldiers and settlers in 2005, as a hostile entity ruled by the Islamic militant group Hamas, and it considers the West Bank to be disputed territory subject to peace negotiations — which collapsed more than a decade ago.

Human Rights Watch focused its report on the definitions of apartheid and persecution used by the International Criminal Court, which launched a probe into possible Israeli war crimes last month. Israel rejects the court as biased.

Citing public statements by Israeli leaders and official policies, HRW argued that Israel has “demonstrated an intent to maintain the domination of Jewish Israelis over Palestinians” in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, coupled with “systematic oppression” and “inhumane acts.”

“When these three elements occur together, they amount to the crime of apartheid,” it said.

As to the charge of persecution, the group cited “grave abuses” in the occupied territories, including land confiscation, the systematic denial of building permits, home demolitions and “sweeping, decades-long restrictions on freedom of movement and basic human rights.”

The report cites a range of policies it says are aimed at ensuring a Jewish majority in Israel and lands it intends to keep, while largely confining Palestinians to scattered enclaves under overarching Israeli control, with policies that encourage Palestinians to leave.

While such policies are far more severe in the occupied territories, HRW said they can also be found in Israel itself, where Palestinian citizens, who make up roughly 20% of the population, face widespread discrimination when it comes to housing, land access and basic services.

Omar Shakir, the author of the report, said that from the heady early days of the peace process in the 1990s up until the Obama years, “there was enough there to question whether there was an intent for permanent domination.”

But with the demise of the peace process; Israel’s plans to annex up to a third of the West Bank, which were put on hold but never abandoned; its massive expansion of settlements and infrastructure linking them to Israel; and the passing of a controversial nation-state law favoring Jews — many say it’s no longer possible to view the current situation as temporary.

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“Prominent voices have for years warned that Israeli conduct risked turning into apartheid,” Shakir said. “This 213-page report finds that the threshold has been crossed.”

Israel rejected the report. Human Rights Watch “is known to have a long-standing anti-Israel agenda,” the Foreign Ministry said. “The fictional claims that HRW concocted are both preposterous and false.”

Israel’s supporters reject allegations of apartheid, pointing to the existence of the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority, which administers scattered West Bank enclaves under agreements signed in the 1990s.

Israel and the Palestinians have held several rounds of peace talks since then that included discussions of Palestinian independence but were unable to reach a final agreement.

Eugene Kontorovich, director of international law at the Kohelet Policy Forum, a conservative Israeli think tank, said the Palestinians were responsible for their fate. “They have chosen it by rejecting alternatives,” he said.

HRW and other rights groups say that despite the existence of the Palestinian Authority, Israel maintains overarching control over nearly every aspect of Palestinian lives in both the West Bank and Gaza.

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Israel has exclusive control over 60% of the West Bank, its borders and airspace, and imposes restrictions on movement and residency. The nearly 500,000 Jewish settlers living in the West Bank have full Israeli citizenship, while the territory’s 2.5 million Palestinians live under military rule.

The disparity could be seen in Israel’s successful coronavirus vaccination campaign, with shots freely offered to settlers but largely denied to their Palestinian neighbors.

In Gaza, an Israeli blockade imposed after Hamas seized power has largely confined 2 million Palestinians to the coastal strip and decimated the economy. Israel imposes heavy restrictions on the movement of people and goods in and out of Gaza, as does neighboring Egypt.

The agreements reached in the 1990s were intended to be temporary, pending an historic peace accord that would establish a Palestinian state in most of the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured in the 1967 war. But that kind of agreement appears farther out of reach than at any point in the last three decades.

Israel is dominated by right-wing parties opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state. Neither of the rival Palestinian governments in the West Bank or Gaza commands a national movement that could make major concessions, even if Israel were willing to do the same.

Many have concluded that a negotiated two-state solution — still widely seen internationally as the only way of resolving the conflict — will never happen.

Instead of focusing on maps and borders, they call for equal rights for Jews and Palestinians in one binational state, a confederation or some other arrangement.

Kontorovich, voicing a common Israeli criticism, accused HRW of unfairly singling Israel out and trying to delegitimize it.

“Why say it’s apartheid? Why not just say Israel has some discriminatory policies that we don’t like?” he said. “Because for discriminatory policies, what do you do? You change the policies. ... What do you do with an apartheid regime? You have to replace it.”

Human Rights Watch does not adopt a position on what a final agreement should look like, but says any attempt to resolve the conflict must recognize the reality on the ground.

“The underlying issue is structural repression and discrimination,” Shakir said. “You need to address rights abuse and then create a context in which there can be a political solution that all parties reach.”

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Could post some of the (oh so many) horrible comments from people celebrating the deaths, but I'd rather share the story about how Arab-Israelis have been providing food, drink and shelter for survivors, even though for many of them it's still Ramadan and they can't partake themselves during daylight hours.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-towns-offer-food-drink-to-meron-survivors-hundreds-give-blood-in-tel-aviv/

 

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Local Arab villages set up stations to offer food and drink to evacuees from the site of the disaster at Meron on Friday morning, as many hundreds lined up to donate blood in Tel Aviv.


Media reports said residents of nearby villages and towns in the north of Israel set up stations with free food and drink for the many thousands of Jewish worshipers still trying to make their way out of the mountainous Meron area in the wake of the overnight tragedy.

According to Yoseph Haddad, an Arab Israeli activist, initiatives to help the evacuees were launched in Tamra, Jish, Yarka and Peki’in.

Radi Najm, mayor of the Druze town of Beit Jan near Mount Meron, said his town had opened its facilities and many families had opened their homes to evacuees and rescuers from the disaster.

“Beit Jan residents and the local council join in the grief of the entire nation,” Najm said in a statement. “They open their homes and the council’s facilities to offer any help possible. I have ordered the [town’s] emergency services to provide any help necessary to the rescue crews. The residents are ready to receive evacuees and families from the disaster area.”

Arab leaders expressed sorrow over the tragedy.

Joint List leader Ayman Odeh spoke of “heartache” for the dozens of families “left torn and bereaved.” He said he was heartened to see Jews and Arabs work together to respond to the disaster, calling it “a small ray of light in the great tragedy.”

 


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On 12/02/2021 at 11:16, Gnasher said:

 

 

 
 

I see this unfunny cunt  is at it again....Apparently he helped co-write Borat 2 which if you’ve ever seen it is comfortably more racist than anything Corbyn has said or done 

I guess the Tories cosying up to the anti-Semitic Govt of Hungary is best ignored by Lee

 

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