Israel - A Rant

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Oh, sorry, I thought there were plenty of you who were anti-Zionism. Must be my mistake.

The atrocious acts being committed in the name of Zionism yes. Where has anybody said they are against Israel having their own state? 

[Jairzinho]

I definitely believe that Stronts thinks people who say they are Anti-Zionist are anti-semitic and/or don't think Jewish people should have somewhere to live. Because the meaning of Zionism has in no way changed over the decades. 

 

That would be a very honest and nuanced assessment of the argument. 

 

Herp. 

[Bjornebye]

Nah fuck off, he nows exactly what people are saying. Israel are committing genocide. Thats the crux of the issue. Nobody has a problem with Israel having their own state, they have a problem with them killing innocent people. 

 

I'm sure those Rabbis above know more than him. 

[Jairzinho]

Fucking hell, Stig.

[Anubis]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

The state of the replies under that thread. “I’m a Liverpool supporter but I’m not from Liverpool and I understand where you’re coming from. Its a hard socialist area. “
 

I’ll bet the little Tory witch is happy to eulogise about Shankly.

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Fucking hell, Stig.

Fucking hell what 

 

EDIT: I misread what you wrote mate. You want some? 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Because the meaning of Zionism has in no way changed over the decades.

 

It hasn't changed though. That's the point.

 

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Israel are committing genocide. Thats the crux of the issue.

 

You are going to have to stop misusing the term 'genocide', which has a very specific and narrow meaning.

[Jairzinho]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It hasn't changed though. That's the point. 

It's use has, and you know that. 

 

It makes your arguments look, to be very charitable, silly. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You are going to have to stop misusing the term 'genocide', which has a very specific and narrow meaning.

It is genocide. It's the systematic elimination of Palestinians from their own land. 

 

Why don't you go and lie, grass and defend murder somewhere else.  

[cloggypop]

12 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It hasn't changed though. That's the point.

The borders fucking have. 

[Strontium]

7 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

It's use has, and you know that. 

 

It makes your arguments look, to be very charitable, silly. 

 

A bunch of people like you have decided that it means something contrary to what the people who created the term intended. You can't just arbitrarily decide that it means something else.

 

Imagine if someone came along and said that socialism didn't mean communal ownership of the means of production, but actually meant hating rich people and wanting to steal from hard workers so that lazy people didn't have to contribute anything to society. It's the same energy.

 

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

It is genocide. It's the systematic elimination of Palestinians from their own land. 

 

Why don't you go and lie, grass and defend murder somewhere else.  

 

It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you when you just make stuff up and exaggerate all the time.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

The borders fucking have. 

 

Indeed, though I'm sure plenty of Israelis would be more than happy to go back to their original borders

 

[cloggypop]

Let's just give them the promised land of greater Israel as mentioned in some book and fuck anybody already living there. 

[TheHowieLama]

I think ethnic cleansing sounds better than genocide.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

Let's just give them the promised land of greater Israel as mentioned in some book and fuck anybody already living there. 

 

Or alternatively - and hear me out here - let's accept that borders aren't sacrosanct, that they alter over time as a result of demographic change/war/land purchase etc, and that such things will obviously form part of some future negotiated agreement, providing one side can accept that the other deserves to exist.

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you when you just make stuff up and exaggerate all the time.

I'd like say I'm aghast you have the nerve to say that but I'm really not and that is worrying. We aren't ever going to agree. You keep defending murder, I'll keep calling Israel out on it. 

 

Thanks. 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think ethnic cleansing sounds better than genocide.

 

Which of the two would you call this?

 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Or alternatively - and hear me out here - let's accept that borders aren't sacrosanct, that they alter over time as a result of demographic change/war/land purchase etc, and that such things will obviously form part of some future negotiated agreement, providing one side can accept that the other deserves to exist.

You missed genocide/ethnic cleansing out. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

I'd like say I'm aghast you have the nerve to say that but I'm really not and that is worrying. We aren't ever going to agree. You keep defending murder, I'll keep calling Israel out on it. 

 

Thanks. 

 

Is there anyone apart from you who thinks I'm going around "defending murder"?

 

You are quite mad.

[Jairzinho]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

A bunch of people like you have decided that it means something contrary to what the people who created the term intended. You can't just arbitrarily decide that it means something else.

 

 

You're not stupid, you're pretending to be. For who's benefit I have no idea. But it's really boring and it makes discussion absolutely impossible.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Which of the two would you call this?

 

Neither - that is persecution.

 

We were talking about Israel.

[Jairzinho]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

Neither - that is persecution.

 

We were talking about Israel.

Basically, Stronts thinks they should be absolved because they haven't been as successful as they'd have liked.

 

Iran, however...

[Captain Turdseye]

8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I think ethnic cleansing sounds better than genocide.

You need to get some new CD’s. 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

You're not stupid, you're pretending to be. For who's benefit I have no idea. But it's really boring and it makes discussion absolutely impossible.

 

Okay genius, if Zionism no longer means what Zionists say it means, then what term are we supposed to use for what Zionism used to mean?

[skend04]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Which of the two would you call this?

 

Ex-pats.