Israel - A Rant

[Red_or_Dead]

Fuckin hell Stronts!  I guess that makes me anti-semitic!

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Red_or_Dead said:

Fuckin hell Stronts!  I guess that makes me anti-semitic!

 

On reflection, I think you weren't serious, and have removed my reaction accordingly, but "Jews did 9/11" jokes are probably best avoided altogether.

[Bjornebye]

15 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

On reflection, I think you weren't serious, and have removed my reaction accordingly, but "Jews did 9/11" jokes are probably best avoided altogether.

Can I ask why? I've never made them jokes or implied Jewish involvement myself. I believe it was terrorists as reported (although I do think there is more to it than meets the eye). I have seen enough conspiracy stuff suggesting Jewish involvement and the Rothchilds profiting hugely off it. 

 

What is different about joking about Jewish involvement as me saying that the Welsh did it? 

 

I'm not being confrontational I am genuinely curious. 

[Red_or_Dead]

18 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

On reflection, I think you weren't serious, and have removed my reaction accordingly, but "Jews did 9/11" jokes are probably best avoided altogether.

Of course I wasn't!  It was a sarcastic comment on that trope of Jew did 9/11 in a (poor) attempt at humour on this thread which is (sometimes) a slanging match!

 

 

[Strontium]

6 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Can I ask why? I've never made them jokes or implied Jewish involvement myself. I believe it was terrorists as reported (although I do think there is more to it than meets the eye). I have seen enough conspiracy stuff suggesting Jewish involvement and the Rothchilds profiting hugely off it. 

 

What is different about joking about Jewish involvement as me saying that the Welsh did it? 

 

I'm not being confrontational I am genuinely curious. 

 

I think it's a pretty sensitive subject. The claim of Jewish involvement in 9/11 has been used to persecute Jews, especially in the Middle East. I would just urge caution around the topic, that's all.

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I think it's a pretty sensitive subject. The claim of Jewish involvement in 9/11 has been used to persecute Jews, especially in the Middle East. I would just urge caution around the topic, that's all.

Has it?

 

What about the millions of innocent Muslims? Have they not suffered? 

[Strontium]

49 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Has it?

 

What about the millions of innocent Muslims? Have they not suffered? 

 

Yes, it has.

 

What Muslims are you referring to?

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Yes, it has.

 

What Muslims are you referring to?

I haven't seen anything like that, can you provide any evidence? (Again, I am genuinely unaware that Jews have specifically suffered as a result) 

 

All innocent Muslims have 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

I haven't seen anything like that, can you provide any evidence? (Again, I am genuinely unaware that Jews have specifically suffered as a result) 

 

All innocent Muslims have 

 

It's hard to quantify it, as it's just one of dozens of antisemitic canards that are used to justify persecution. The Pittsburgh synagogue shooter invoked numerous conspiracy theories, for instance. Should we divide his 11 victims by the number of conspiracy theories he believed in?

 

I've no doubt innocent Muslims have suffered as a result of terror attacks perpetrated by other Muslims. Surely it's a separate issue, though.

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

It's hard to quantify it, as it's just one of dozens of antisemitic canards that are used to justify persecution. The Pittsburgh synagogue shooter invoked numerous conspiracy theories, for instance. Should we divide his 11 victims by the number of conspiracy theories he believed in?

 

I've no doubt innocent Muslims have suffered as a result of terror attacks perpetrated by other Muslims. Surely it's a separate issue, though.

How is it a separate issue? Are you saying the synagogue shooter shot it up because he thought that Jews were responsible for 9/11? What about the Christchurch shooter? I am sure the majority of the rhetoric he was exposed too stems from 9/11 and the events that came after it? 

 

I don't get how it is a separate issue if you are claiming one race has suffered when others clearly have and dare I say a hell of a lot more? 

[Strontium]

21 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How is it a separate issue? Are you saying the synagogue shooter shot it up because he thought that Jews were responsible for 9/11? What about the Christchurch shooter? I am sure the majority of the rhetoric he was exposed too stems from 9/11 and the events that came after it? 

 

I don't get how it is a separate issue if you are claiming one race has suffered when others clearly have and dare I say a hell of a lot more? 

 

It's a separate issue because it is, unfortunately, a fact that the September 11th attacks were perpetrated by Muslims. Whereas it's a malicious lie to say it was perpetrated by Jews - it is incitement to victimise.

 

The very fact that Muslims are held collectively responsible for 9/11 by morons surely shows why it is dangerous to Jews for them to be held collectively responsible for it.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

It's a separate issue because it is, unfortunately, a fact that the September 11th attacks were perpetrated by Muslims. Whereas it's a malicious lie to say it was perpetrated by Jews - it is incitement to victimise.

 

The very fact that Muslims are held collectively responsible for 9/11 by morons surely shows why it is dangerous to Jews for them to be held collectively responsible for it.

But the point is Strontz that 'the facts' are being questioned. I am not saying it is right but I am saying it is not that separate an issue. 

 

The people widely accused of doing this are Muslims but some would suggest that they were actually just an evil side of humanity as opposed to labelling them as Muslim. I've not heard of one instance where a Jew has been hounded/abused/murdered because of a belief that they had something to do with 9/11. The muslims had a war thrust upon them across the Middle east and still to this day they are victims of vile racism not just in the States but worldwide on a far bigger scale than before 9/11. 

[Bjornebye]

I think the word "thrust" scared him off. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Over an hour long. But, it's a good watch, if only to see "Mehcccchdi" Hassan absolutely wipe the floor with the two Zionist panelists. 

 

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

Land grab. What land grab ?

 

Israel backs West Bank homes for settlers and Palestinians

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49181534

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

6,000 war crimes. 

[TheHowieLama]

On 29/07/2019 at 13:37, Bjornebye said:

 

The people widely accused of doing this are Muslims but some would suggest that they were actually just an evil side of humanity as opposed to labelling them as Muslim. 

Well, they were.  They labelled themselves as Muslim and specifically labelled their acts as support to the most radical interpretation 

[Grinch]

[Dougie Do'ins]

Rashida Tlaib rejects Israel's offer of 'humanitarian' visit

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49373269

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Rashida Tlaib rejects Israel's offer of 'humanitarian' visit

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49373269

"You can visit your mum but don't tell the world we are evil murdering cunts" 

 

Horrible fucking regime. 

[Grinch]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

"hey guys, smell my freedom and democracy gas, you mother!"

 

 

[Gnasher]

If only the snotty nosed little kiddies in Gaza whould stop throwing a few rocks in the general direction  of Israel the region would find the peace the rest of the world craves.

 

That's fucking kids for you.

[Red Phoenix]

You can tell it's election month, they started early too : Attacks blamed on Israel across three Middle East countries ratchet up tensions

[Stickman]

Riley , Oberman and Collier wouldn't rest till he'd be smeared an anti-Semite for coming out with this....