Israel - A Rant

[Numero Veinticinco]

15 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

I wasn't just referring to people here. That's it.

 

But in any case, I'm glad you've picked up on the real issue, which is my slightly ambiguous use of language.

I’m capable have holding opinions on more than one thing at a time, to be honest. 

[moof]

Holy fucking shit 

[moof]

26 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

I wasn't just referring to people here. That's it.

 

But in any case, I'm glad you've picked up on the real issue, which is my slightly ambiguous use of language.

You’ve properly had your pants pulled down, here. Embarrassing 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Interesting article from last year about the legality (or otherwise) of Israel's "right of self-defence".

 

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/07/gaza-protests-israel-occupation-norman-finkelstein?fbclid=IwAR0bTsCgqT9xwY8mX8akk8pVIrDOMMgWHDpzKaKxgGIYHO2rq6Cd2yggJBw

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

This is the distinction the media should make whenever they report "Hamas fired some rockets, so Israel fired some rockets" - it's really not the proportionate response that it sounds like.

 

(Granted, these pictures are extreme examples, selected for propaganda purposes, but the point still stands: Israeli rockets are a completely different beast from anything Hamas can get.)

 

[SammyAftershave]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The man who claims that he doesn't defend Israeli war crimes is here to parrot the "it wasn't us and if it was it was self-defence and anyone who says different is an anti-Semite" shite that the Apartheid state spews out every fucking time.

The hypocritical pox that ultimately STD is.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Meanwhile, in London... 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

And that post was negged by... well, spank my ass and call me Charlie! Whodathunkit?

[Strontium]

Almost like I have an issue with people lying. Especially after they've already been corrected.

[moof]

6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Almost like I have an issue with people lying. Especially after they've already been corrected.

Who’s lying?

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Almost like I have an issue with people lying. Especially after they've already been corrected.

Who is lying? Are you suggesting that Israel hasn’t killed children? It certainly seems that way. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, moof said:

Who’s lying?

 

Have you not been following proceedings?

 

A bunch of people claimed Israel killed a mother and her baby. The IDF said it wasn't them, as did the independent media in Gaza. Islamic Jihad has now confirmed it was one of their rockets that misfired. But that obviously doesn't stop certain people with agendas from perpetuating the blood libel.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Have you not been following proceedings?

 

A bunch of people claimed Israel killed a mother and her baby. The IDF said it wasn't them, as did the independent media in Gaza. Islamic Jihad has now confirmed it was one of their rockets that misfired. But that obviously doesn't stop certain people with agendas from perpetuating the blood libel.

It looks like you’re conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews. 

[moof]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Have you not been following proceedings?

 

A bunch of people claimed Israel killed a mother and her baby. The IDF said it wasn't them, as did the independent media in Gaza. Islamic Jihad has now confirmed it was one of their rockets that misfired. But that obviously doesn't stop certain people with agendas from perpetuating the blood libel.

“The independent media in Gaza” being some random twitter account that you found that was blaming hamas? Ok, cool 

[moof]

7 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It looks like you’re conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews. 

Do you think he realises he parrots the far-right with this equivocating bollocks?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

"Blood libel" 

 

Hahahaha. What a hysterically daft cunt! 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Seems a legit admission of guilt by Islamic Jihad. Sadly, no evidence of it exists. It seems like our resident defender of child murder isn't being entirely truthful with his "Facts" again... 

 

"A report from the Telegram account of Hamas’ al-Risala News was published Sunday and said that the 14-month child was killed by a Gazan rocket that exploded inside of the family’s home, there are also reports that a woman also died in the Saturday blast. The report was quickly deleted, the Jerusalem Post reports."

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It's truly amazing how quickly and easily defenders of child murder will dispense with their usual rules and norms of logic to believe the propaganda of the murderous, apartheid war criminals. 

 

Accepting that a Twitter account with about 800 followers, which has no discernible Google search footprint, is a legitimate and neutral Gazan news agency. Even when reputable Gazan news accounts with 50k+ followers are reporting that the Palestinian ministries responsible for media etc have no knowledge of such an agency operating in Palestine. 

 

And, believing newspapers that are favourable to Israel when they say they've seen a report of Islamic Jihad admitting responsibility for the killing of a child, when there appears to be no screenshots or evidence of this report, as it was instantly (and somewhat conveniently) deleted. 

 

You can only reach two possible conclusions about such people. Firstly, that they're very stupid and gullible. Or, alternatively, that they hate Arabs/Muslims so much, or that they're happily prepared to excuse child slaughter, that they'll instantly do away with all the usual evidential requirements which they follow in all other aspects of their life. 

[Bjornebye]

Id say that sign on the bus stop isnt just referring to a recent mother and child story anyway. I saw videos of whole blocks of flats being blown up by Israel. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It looks like you’re conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews. 

Here's a useful guide to criticising Israeli crimes without being anti-Semitic - as all decent people should  (and most round here do).

 

Here’s how to talk about Israel without sliding into antisemitism | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/antisemitism-labour-israel-netanyahu-palestine-david-schneider-a8905941.html

 

[Strontium]

I don't think anyone on earth has an issue with people being criticised for things they've actually done.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

I don't think anyone on earth has an issue with people being criticised for things they've actually done.

So, you agree that IDF snipers murdering unarmed civilians on the Great March of Return was a racist crime against humanity?

[Strontium]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

So, you agree that IDF snipers murdering unarmed civilians on the Great March of Return was a racist crime against humanity?

 

As I've said on numerous occasions, the only justification for taking a life is in the defence of self or others.

[Bjornebye]

Jesus wept. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

As I've said on numerous occasions, the only justification for taking a life is in the defence of self or others.

Is that a "yes"?