Israel - A Rant

[SammyAftershave]

The Israel thread has broken my internet. The twat.

[Numero Veinticinco]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

I'll only support or defend something if I think it's supportable or defensible. I've never and will never defend killing anyone simply because of their nationality.

No, of course not. That'd be horrendous. You just support and defend those who do it. 

[Strontium]

Something else to add to the list of Things That Never Happened.

[Numero Veinticinco]

26 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Something else to add to the list of Things That Never Happened.

Except for the numerous examples of it on this site. I'm happy to quote them to you relentlessly for you to then ignore and pretend didn't happen, if you'd like. There's no real point because everybody on here knows you do it. I'd probably start with the one where you called this thread a place for unjust criticism for the only democracy in the region. That was a pearler, right there. Then I'd bump the post where you deflected from collective punishment. Again, there's nobody left to convince. 

[Strontium]

Actually, what I said was (direct quote): we already have a thread for mindless bashing of the Middle East's only democracy. That doesn't mean all bashing of the Middle East's only democracy is mindless, does it. In fact, you'd have to be pretty dishonest to claim it did, given I've bashed them on occasion myself.

[Numero Veinticinco]

24 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Actually, what I said was (direct quote): we already have a thread for mindless bashing of the Middle East's only democracy. That doesn't mean all bashing of the Middle East's only democracy is mindless, does it. In fact, you'd have to be pretty dishonest to claim it did, given I've bashed them on occasion myself.

Calling it the only democracy is defending apartheid, just as some did with South Africa. You are defending their apartheid state, which does NOT give democratic rights to some citizens that they give to others. You are doing what the defenders of racists in South Africa did years ago. That said, I'm glad you've remove the avatar that was attempting to gloss over the true state of Palestine. A step in the right direction.

[Strontium]

37 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Calling it the only democracy is defending apartheid, just as some did with South Africa. You are defending their apartheid state, which does NOT give democratic rights to some citizens that they give to others. You are doing what the defenders of racists in South Africa did years ago. That said, I'm glad you've remove the avatar that was attempting to gloss over the true state of Palestine. A step in the right direction.

 

It's clearly not an apartheid state like South Africa, Arab citizens of Israel have full voting rights, partake in elections etc. It's a very poor analogy.

 

I really wish you'd stop banging on about that avatar, which represented nothing more than an optimistic belief that another Palestine is possible.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Strontium Dog said:

 

It's clearly not an apartheid state like South Africa, Arab citizens of Israel have full voting rights, partake in elections etc. It's a very poor analogy.

 

I really wish you'd stop banging on about that avatar, which represented nothing more than an optimistic belief that another Palestine is possible.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH. Fucking hell. You did it a few days after posting a picture of a mall with a sarcastic comment. What a joke. Yeah, you're all about the prosperity of Palestine. Pull the other one.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

As most of us already acknowledge, it's becoming clearer by the day that any criticism of Israel, or even support for Palestinians, will eventually bring about attempts to silence you via false slurs of antisemitism. It's happening far too regularly to not be seen as anything more than a deliberate tactic to stifle legitimate criticism of the apartheid state of Israel.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/24/european-parties-urged-agree-israel-boycott-bds-antisemitic-mep

 

European parties urged to agree Israel boycott tactics are antisemitic | World news

 

www.theguardian.com

 

A conference in Brussels backed by the Israeli government is to push for all European political parties to sign up to “red lines” that declare boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) tactics to be “fundamentally antisemitic”.

 

The two-day convention, attended by Israel’s minister of Jerusalem affairs, Ze’ev Elkin, will propose a text for prospective MEPs and political parties to sign up to before European elections in May next year.

 

The text urges EU member states to sign up to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s “working definition of antisemitism” and exclude from government any politicians or parties that breach it.

 

Most controversially, one of the red lines – based on a resolutionadopted by Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union in Germany in 2016 – calls on “all political parties to pass a binding resolution rejecting BDS activities as fundamentally antisemitic”.

 

Rabbi Menachem Margolin, the founder of the European Jewish Association, an umbrella group of organisations that is co-organising the conference with the Europe Israel Public Affairs (EIPA) group, said: “These ‘red lines’ when passed will represent not our line in the sand but our line in the concrete, and serve as a wake-up call to politicians that the very future of Jewish Europe is on the line here.”

 

The EJA says in its promotional material for the 6-7 November conference that invitations are being co-ordinated with Israel’s ministries for Jerusalem affairs and foreign affairs, the logos of both of which are displayed.

 

Neither ministry immediately responded to requests for comment.

 

The Israeli government has changed tack in recent years, from ignoring the BDS movement against Israel in the years after it was founded in 2005, to launching an international campaign against it, arguing the campaign aims to delegitimise the Jewish state. Israel passed a law barring the entry of foreigners who publicly support a boycott of Israel, and has set up groups in other countries to counter BDS activities and arguments.

 

Israel’s ministry of strategic affairs, which has reportedly set aside a $72m (£56m) budget to counter the global BDS movement, says it is not involved in the conference. However, its civil servants and others from Israel’s foreign ministry have been in regular contact with at least one figure involved in organising the event, the Guardian understands.

 

Last year, the strategic affairs minister, Gilad Erdan, visited EIPA to give advocacy and briefing sessions that partly dealt with “countering the BDS narrative”, according to the group’s website. “As an official stance, the ministry does view BDS as antisemitic for its double standards and demonisation of Israel,” said a source close to Erdan’s office.

 

Margrete Auken, the vice-chair of the European parliament’s delegation for relations with Palestine, said she did not support BDS. Nonetheless, “I reject the unceasing attempts to amalgamate this Palestinian-led movement with antisemitism”, she said.

 

“There is an evident wish to silence BDS advocates in order to protect the illegal policies of annexation and dispossession of the Netanyahu government. Criminalising and repressing the legitimate expression of free speech cannot be accepted in our societies.”

 

Issues around the conflation of antisemitism with anti-Zionism divided the UK Labour party over the summer. One conference organiser said the red lines “could make it difficult for the Labour party’s fellow travellers in the European elections who hold up Jeremy Corbyn as somehow the saviour of social democracy”.

 

He added: “We need to lay down these lines and get people to sign up to them before these elections, so we can hold them to account afterwards.”

 

In another sign that a renewed battle over the issue may be brewing, the Israeli ambassador to the EU, Aharon Leshno-Yaar, accused the vice-chair of the Socialist group in the European parliament, Elena Valenciano, of having “an odd obsession with the Jewish state”, after she criticised Israeli policies.

 

“I’m alarmed by the growing number of antisemitic incidents in Europe recently,” Yaar said, citing reports of Iranian spying on Jewish centres. “Your silence on these matters is deafening. You are adopting a narrative that has only one aim – to smear the democratic state of the Jewish people.”

 

Claims by Erdan’s ministry that the EU was funding NGOs that backed BDS and terror backfired this year, when the bloc’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, described the charge as “disinformation”.

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Back to their old fav. Slaughtering kids. 

 

Scum.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/28/gaza-three-boys-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-say-palestinian-medics

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The BDS campaign is obviously targeted at the actions and policies of the state of Israel, not Jewish people.

 

Conflating the state of Israel and Jewish people  - such as holding all Jews accountable for Israeli crimes - is clearly and rightly recognised as anti-Semitism by just about all definitions. It follows that claiming that a campaign against the Israeli Government is ipso facto anti-Semitic is itself an anti-Semitic claim.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Back to their old fav. Slaughtering kids. 

 

Scum.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/28/gaza-three-boys-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-say-palestinian-medics

But the people who killed them say they were planting bombs.

 

People who kill children wouldn't lie, would they?

 

And the BBC wouldn't put the killers' claims in a headline unless they were sure it was true, would they?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-46013305

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Netanyahu confirms that he's a war criminal by admitting to population transfer, as prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention. 

 

When will this tyrant and his apartheid regime be held to account?

[Anubis]

16 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

When will this tyrant and his apartheid regime be held to account?

You may not want to hold your breath.

[ZonkoVille77]

As always with situations like this; when it is far too late. 

[SammyAftershave]

4 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Netanyahu confirms that he's a war criminal by admitting to population transfer, as prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention. 

 

When will this tyrant and his apartheid regime be held to account?

Simply put he won't as to even think it in the confines of your own thoughts would be anti-Semitic and deeply offensive to the massed ranks of law-breaking settlers, Washington lobbyists and their donors and particularly the massed ranks of treasonous Labour MP's who are more loyal to their LFOI jollies. (including the ones who don't even bother to wait till his back is turned before plunging their knives in it)

[SammyAftershave]

I see one of the first things that newly elected fascist twat in Brazil has committed to do is to move the Brazilian embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Him and Trump are just like two peas in a pod.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-embassy-israel-tel-aviv-jerusalem-middle-east-palestine-a8614066.html

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Hooray for Hollywood!

 

https://themindunleashed.com/2018/11/hollywood-stars-60-million-israeli-army.html?fbclid=IwAR1E0BkGlxb5-hhQnyiChf-tped_-E4zw0Sjp3uwW5XEx_4yA_EXYyK75XM

 

 

Hollywood celebrities raised a record breaking $60 million for the Israeli military at the Friends of the Israel Defence Forces (FIDF) annual gala last week.

 

This year’s sold-out Western Region event at the Beverly Hilton Hotel welcomed more than 1,200 supporters of Israel, including prominent actors and singers like Ashton Kutcher, Pharrell Williams, Gerard Butler, and Katharine McPhee.“We are thrilled that so many members of our community, including major Hollywood figures, are coming together to help us support the brave men and women of the [Israeli army].” said FIDF National Board Member and Chairman of the event, Haim Saban. “Standing behind these heroes is one of my greatest honours in my life.”

 

The event featured a programme that told the 70-year history of Israel through the accounts of soldiers and the military’s various campaigns against the Palestinians.

 

It also included several contributions from former and current Israeli soldiers.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

These "brave men and women", these "heroes", include the people who are currently murdering children on the Great March of Return.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

14 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Hooray for Hollywood!

 

https://themindunleashed.com/2018/11/hollywood-stars-60-million-israeli-army.html?fbclid=IwAR1E0BkGlxb5-hhQnyiChf-tped_-E4zw0Sjp3uwW5XEx_4yA_EXYyK75XM

 

 

Hollywood celebrities raised a record breaking $60 million for the Israeli military at the Friends of the Israel Defence Forces (FIDF) annual gala last week.

 

This year’s sold-out Western Region event at the Beverly Hilton Hotel welcomed more than 1,200 supporters of Israel, including prominent actors and singers like Ashton Kutcher, Pharrell Williams, Gerard Butler, and Katharine McPhee.“We are thrilled that so many members of our community, including major Hollywood figures, are coming together to help us support the brave men and women of the [Israeli army].” said FIDF National Board Member and Chairman of the event, Haim Saban. “Standing behind these heroes is one of my greatest honours in my life.”

 

The event featured a programme that told the 70-year history of Israel through the accounts of soldiers and the military’s various campaigns against the Palestinians.

 

It also included several contributions from former and current Israeli soldiers.

I'd be a bit wary of going inside a hotel while there were Israeli armed forces floating around...

[cloggypop]

*adds Ashton Kutcher films to the Soda Stream cultural embargo list*

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, cloggypop said:

*adds Ashton Kutcher films to the Soda Stream cultural embargo list*

Along with dates.

 

It was easier to feel pious during the boycotts against South African Apartheid, because we were refusing to buy stuff we otherwise might buy.

 

At the level of individual purchases, support for the BDS movement feels a bit hypothetical. 

[Anubis]

Ashton Kutcher, Pharrell Williams, Gerard Butler, and Katharine McPhee.

 

A real who’s who of C Listers there.

[Creator Supreme]

Cunts, fucking sickening, apparently there's quite a number of celebrities (term used loosely) who pay for stuff like kevlar vests for the IDF from their own pockets, makes me want to heave!