Girona (A) - CL League Stage, Tue 10th Dec 2024 (5:45pm)

[an tha]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Life without Salah is actually going to be far more terrifying than life without Klopp. 

At the risk of stating the obvious every great, every talisman and every legend who ever played for us has been replaced - often it isn't a case of a direct replacement though but a case of the team evolving. It will happen again and we'll be fine - just like we have always been.

[Binomial]

We're doing enough to get by and win games, mostly the ugly way but who cares. If there isn't a team out there that can both outplay and beat us then that's not our problem. Girona are a very poor side, Daley Blind missing his kick 10 yards out center of the goal with all the time in the world. Donny giving away a pen, Danjuma into row Z with 1 effort and to the corner flag the next. They're a poor side. The only one that looked lively was their much talked about LB Miguel. Gazzaniga did pretty well too.

 

Sure it was another forgettable game which no one will bother to talk about in the morning but hasn't about 75% of the games felt like that? 

 

Yes our football is slow.....it's often quite boring to endure - a lot of sideways and back - but it's done methodically to wear the opponent down, draw them out of their shape so we can capitalise on the spaces they leave for us.

[Code]

31 minutes ago, an tha said:

At the risk of stating the obvious every great, every talisman and every legend who ever played for us has been replaced - often it isn't a case of a direct replacement though but a case of the team evolving. It will happen again and we'll be fine - just like we have always been.

Have we always been fine though.

 

I dont agree with this statement at all. 
 

In an historical context maybe, but not short term, we have been in the wilderness for years for a club of our stature the last 34 years.

[an tha]

9 minutes ago, Code said:

Have we always been fine though.

 

I dont agree with this statement at all. 
 

In an historical context maybe, but not short term, we have been in the wilderness for years for a club of our stature the last 34 years.

We've won a lot more than most in those 34 years - heroes have come and heroes have gone - the next hero will come and he'll go too and on and on it will go.

 

We'll be fine.

[Code]

50 minutes ago, an tha said:

We've won a lot more than most in those 34 years - heroes have come and heroes have gone - the next hero will come and he'll go too and on and on it will go.

 

We'll be fine.

Heroes are not always great players though and even if we have heroes it does not guarantee us results.

 

Salah is something we have never seen before, he score or assists every 91 minutes and he is in his 8th season now, playing almost every minute of every game, the g/a average is out of this world compared to others of the great players we have had down the years.

 

Other heroes we have had down the years cant really get close, unless they have had a short career here, which makes it a lot easier to get a good average. 
 

Only two players with at least 10 assists for the club gets a g/an under 100 minutes on average, Mo Salah and John Aldridge, one has played 371 games, the other one 104. 
 

When it comes to scoring goals and creating assists consistently over a period of time Mo Salah is the greatest player this club have seen since WW2. Personally I’m pretty sure I will not witness another player like him in my lifetime, producing such numbers, so consistently over such a long period of time for this club.
 

Salah: 29935 minutes: 227 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 91 minutes

Aldrigde: 8143 minutes: 63 goals - 20 assists = g/a every 98 minutes

Suarez: 11329 minutes: 82 goals - 29 assists = g/a every 102 minutes
Torres: 10954 minutes: 81 goals - 16 assists = g/a every 112 minutes
Owen: 23355 minutes: 158 goals - 41 assists = g/a every 117 minutes
Fowler: 28084 minutes: 183 goals - 49 assists = g/a every 121 minutes
Dalglish: 44882 minutes: 172 goals - 172 assists = g/a every 130 minutes

Rush: 57011 minutes: 346 goals - 83 assists = g/a every 132 minutes

Keegan: 28944 minutes: 100 goals - 72 assists = g/a every 168 minutes

Barnes: 29935 minutes: 108 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 172 minutes

Gerrard: 57603 minutes: 186 goals - 145 assists = g/a every 176 minutes

 

 

 

[an tha]

15 minutes ago, Code said:

Heroes are not always great players though and even if we have heroes it does not guarantee us results.

 

Salah is something we have never seen before, he score or assists every 91 minutes and he is in his 8th season now, playing almost every minute of every game, the g/a average is out of this world compared to others of the great players we have had down the years.

 

Other heroes we have had down the years cant really get close, unless they have had a short career here, which makes it a lot easier to get a good average. 
 

Only two players with at least 10 assists for the club gets a g/an under 100 minutes on average, Mo Salah and John Aldridge, one has played 371 games, the other one 104. 
 

When it comes to scoring goals and creating assists consistently over a period of time Mo Salah is the greatest player this club have seen since WW2. Personally I’m pretty sure I will not witness another player like him in my lifetime, producing such numbers, so consistently over such a long period of time for this club.
 

Salah: 29935 minutes: 227 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 91 minutes

Aldrigde: 8143 minutes: 63 goals - 20 assists = g/a every 98 minutes

Suarez: 11329 minutes: 82 goals - 29 assists = g/a every 102 minutes
Torres: 10954 minutes: 81 goals - 16 assists = g/a every 112 minutes
Owen: 23355 minutes: 158 goals - 41 assists = g/a every 117 minutes
Fowler: 28084 minutes: 183 goals - 49 assists = g/a every 121 minutes
Dalglish: 44882 minutes: 172 goals - 172 assists = g/a every 130 minutes

Rush: 57011 minutes: 346 goals - 83 assists = g/a every 132 minutes

Keegan: 28944 minutes: 100 goals - 72 assists = g/a every 168 minutes

Barnes: 29935 minutes: 108 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 172 minutes

Gerrard: 57603 minutes: 186 goals - 145 assists = g/a every 176 minutes

 

 

 

He's great and will go down as a top drawer LFC legend.

 

But when he goes we'll be fine.

 

We may not replace him 1 for 1 but we'll then likely evolve like we have before. Maybe his goals and assists will be shared between a couple of players....Maybe we will adapt a different style of play....Or maybe the 'next' Mo Salah is not yet here, but will arrive for a bargain fee relatively unheralded like you know erm Mo Salah did....

 

Nobody is, ever has been or ever will be truly irreplaceable - things just change and sometimes that change makes you better.

 

Take the summer of 87 for example - If TLW had existed back then we would be sitting here panicking like fuck about Rush going, a man who had just fired a 40 goal season....and look what happened...

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

4 hours ago, an tha said:

He's great and will go down as a top drawer LFC legend.

 

But when he goes we'll be fine.

 

We may not replace him 1 for 1 but we'll then likely evolve like we have before. Maybe his goals and assists will be shared between a couple of players....Maybe we will adapt a different style of play....Or maybe the 'next' Mo Salah is not yet here, but will arrive for a bargain fee relatively unheralded like you know erm Mo Salah did....

 

Nobody is, ever has been or ever will be truly irreplaceable - things just change and sometimes that change makes you better.

 

Take the summer of 87 for example - If TLW had existed back then we would be sitting here panicking like fuck about Rush going, a man who had just fired a 40 goal season....and look what happened...

 

 

Code is just going through his regular phase of Separation Anxiety from Mo Salah.

[The wanderer]

7 hours ago, Code said:

Heroes are not always great players though and even if we have heroes it does not guarantee us results.

 

Salah is something we have never seen before, he score or assists every 91 minutes and he is in his 8th season now, playing almost every minute of every game, the g/a average is out of this world compared to others of the great players we have had down the years.

 

Other heroes we have had down the years cant really get close, unless they have had a short career here, which makes it a lot easier to get a good average. 
 

Only two players with at least 10 assists for the club gets a g/an under 100 minutes on average, Mo Salah and John Aldridge, one has played 371 games, the other one 104. 
 

When it comes to scoring goals and creating assists consistently over a period of time Mo Salah is the greatest player this club have seen since WW2. Personally I’m pretty sure I will not witness another player like him in my lifetime, producing such numbers, so consistently over such a long period of time for this club.
 

Salah: 29935 minutes: 227 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 91 minutes

Aldrigde: 8143 minutes: 63 goals - 20 assists = g/a every 98 minutes

Suarez: 11329 minutes: 82 goals - 29 assists = g/a every 102 minutes
Torres: 10954 minutes: 81 goals - 16 assists = g/a every 112 minutes
Owen: 23355 minutes: 158 goals - 41 assists = g/a every 117 minutes
Fowler: 28084 minutes: 183 goals - 49 assists = g/a every 121 minutes
Dalglish: 44882 minutes: 172 goals - 172 assists = g/a every 130 minutes

Rush: 57011 minutes: 346 goals - 83 assists = g/a every 132 minutes

Keegan: 28944 minutes: 100 goals - 72 assists = g/a every 168 minutes

Barnes: 29935 minutes: 108 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 172 minutes

Gerrard: 57603 minutes: 186 goals - 145 assists = g/a every 176 minutes

 

 

 

Mo the magnificent will not be easy to replace. I would say however that his mins per goal figures, in relation to other greats, is slightly skewed by the fact that there are 49 pens in there. If you take them out his mins per goal drops to 108 mins . Aldo’s numbers would also change if you take out the pens.

[Scott_M]

Not much to say about last night. Some

sloppy play in the first half, good to see Alisson back (although I would have expected him to make all the saves he made), professional performance 2nd half.

 

I suppose although the breather with the Woodison game being postponed means we might have lost a little rhythm. Hopefully we played ourselves back into it last night. 
 

Mac Allister will be a big loss on Saturday. Either Jones or Szobozslai (probably Jobes) needs to play a little deeper alongside Gravenberch, in the first half, they were both pushing forwards at the same time and leaving us exposed. 

[BeefStroganoff]

Was at a Lightning Seeds gig last night. Sounds like I didn’t miss much. Thought we were playing Wednesday!

[The wanderer]

12 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Was at a Lightning Seeds gig last night. Sounds like I didn’t miss much. Thought we were playing Wednesday!

Weak excuse!!

[Scott_M]

I did like Slot criticising the players and performance at full time. Keeps everyone on their toes. 

[BeefStroganoff]

26 minutes ago, The wanderer said:

Weak excuse!!

Can’t keep up with this crappy format though.

 

I was surprised though when I saw their lineup. We should have bounced them I mean Romeu, Stuani, Danjuma, Van De Beek, Gil and Blind???

[The wanderer]

17 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Can’t keep up with this crappy format though.

 

I was surprised though when I saw their lineup. We should have bounced them I mean Romeu, Stuani, Danjuma, Van De Beek, Gil and Blind???

Small pitch suited their game plan and Joe had another below average game along with a few others. Aside from that the new format is designed just to make more money.

[BeefStroganoff]

23 minutes ago, The wanderer said:

Small pitch suited their game plan and Joe had another below average game along with a few others. Aside from that the new format is designed just to make more money.

 

Aye, total garbage but 6 in 6 is not to be sniffed at I suppose.

[Code]

25 minutes ago, The wanderer said:

Small pitch suited their game plan and Joe had another below average game along with a few others. Aside from that the new format is designed just to make more money.

But was it small though?

Anfield:

 

 

Girona:

 

[Rocky Sullivan]

9 hours ago, Code said:

Heroes are not always great players though and even if we have heroes it does not guarantee us results.

 

Salah is something we have never seen before, he score or assists every 91 minutes and he is in his 8th season now, playing almost every minute of every game, the g/a average is out of this world compared to others of the great players we have had down the years.

 

Other heroes we have had down the years cant really get close, unless they have had a short career here, which makes it a lot easier to get a good average. 
 

Only two players with at least 10 assists for the club gets a g/an under 100 minutes on average, Mo Salah and John Aldridge, one has played 371 games, the other one 104. 
 

When it comes to scoring goals and creating assists consistently over a period of time Mo Salah is the greatest player this club have seen since WW2. Personally I’m pretty sure I will not witness another player like him in my lifetime, producing such numbers, so consistently over such a long period of time for this club.
 

Salah: 29935 minutes: 227 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 91 minutes

Aldrigde: 8143 minutes: 63 goals - 20 assists = g/a every 98 minutes

Suarez: 11329 minutes: 82 goals - 29 assists = g/a every 102 minutes
Torres: 10954 minutes: 81 goals - 16 assists = g/a every 112 minutes
Owen: 23355 minutes: 158 goals - 41 assists = g/a every 117 minutes
Fowler: 28084 minutes: 183 goals - 49 assists = g/a every 121 minutes
Dalglish: 44882 minutes: 172 goals - 172 assists = g/a every 130 minutes

Rush: 57011 minutes: 346 goals - 83 assists = g/a every 132 minutes

Keegan: 28944 minutes: 100 goals - 72 assists = g/a every 168 minutes

Barnes: 29935 minutes: 108 goals - 99 assists = g/a every 172 minutes

Gerrard: 57603 minutes: 186 goals - 145 assists = g/a every 176 minutes

 

 

 

How do they count assists from 40-50 years ago? 
 Was it a stat that was recorded or does some poor sod have to trawl through newspaper clippings of match reports? 
 

[Barrington Womble]

it has to be said, this is a fucking weird season. nearly every game is a bit shit, not a great deal happens either end and we come out with the win. we probably edge most games and edge the result, so it is not undeserved. but it does feel like some type of high wire act to me, that these results could easily go the other way or at least don't get a win as we saw last week for the newcastle game. 

 

great seeing Ali back though. I think he genuinely adds to the defensive solidity. It's not just a question of saves, it's his whole reading of the game and command of the defense. 

[joe_fishfish]

56 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

it has to be said, this is a fucking weird season. nearly every game is a bit shit, not a great deal happens either end and we come out with the win. we probably edge most games and edge the result, so it is not undeserved. but it does feel like some type of high wire act to me, that these results could easily go the other way or at least don't get a win as we saw last week for the newcastle game. 

 

great seeing Ali back though. I think he genuinely adds to the defensive solidity. It's not just a question of saves, it's his whole reading of the game and command of the defense. 

We have short periods in games where we seem to be able to score at will. We also seem to be getting a lot of penalties this year. I don't know how sustainable either of things are, I'm worried the answer is "not very".

[VladimirIlyich]

Code obviously kept his eyes shut while Dalglish played as his magnificence could not be quantified with stats. He even made Scotland look half decent and that's some achievement in itself.

[3 Stacks]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

it has to be said, this is a fucking weird season. nearly every game is a bit shit, not a great deal happens either end and we come out with the win. we probably edge most games and edge the result, so it is not undeserved. but it does feel like some type of high wire act to me, that these results could easily go the other way or at least don't get a win as we saw last week for the newcastle game. 

 

great seeing Ali back though. I think he genuinely adds to the defensive solidity. It's not just a question of saves, it's his whole reading of the game and command of the defense. 

The last two games havent been totally representative of the season, in my opinion. The right side of the defense has been vulnerable, as we dont have Konate to win every duel and midfield is starting to get overrun because we have 3 players for 2 positions in the double pivot and we are starting to see a lack of freshness. 

[El Rojo]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

it has to be said, this is a fucking weird season. nearly every game is a bit shit, not a great deal happens either end and we come out with the win. we probably edge most games and edge the result, so it is not undeserved. but it does feel like some type of high wire act to me, that these results could easily go the other way or at least don't get a win as we saw last week for the newcastle game. 

 

great seeing Ali back though. I think he genuinely adds to the defensive solidity. It's not just a question of saves, it's his whole reading of the game and command of the defense. 

I don’t think the games have been as bad as you’re saying. Some brilliant football on the break and our one-to-one defending has generally been a pleasure to watch.

 

A lot of the football under Klopp was obviously scintillating.

 

I loved most of the Rafa era, but a few big occasions aside (Milan 05; Man United,Real 09), I reckon a lot of those games would be unwatchable now.

 

Going further back, the ‘78 ‘81 and ‘84 European Cup finals are also hard watches.

 

Our 1980s games would still be entertaining for the most part, I reckon. 

[The wanderer]

7 hours ago, El Rojo said:

I don’t think the games have been as bad as you’re saying. Some brilliant football on the break and our one-to-one defending has generally been a pleasure to watch.

 

A lot of the football under Klopp was obviously scintillating.

 

I loved most of the Rafa era, but a few big occasions aside (Milan 05; Man United,Real 09), I reckon a lot of those games would be unwatchable now.

 

Going further back, the ‘78 ‘81 and ‘84 European Cup finals are also hard watches.

 

Our 1980s games would still be entertaining for the most part, I reckon. 

I agree with a lot of that .  In the 78 European Cup final Bruges just put everyone behind the ball and so it wasn’t a great game. Also I can remember some league games in the 70’s that were a grind, not helped by the pitches back then.

[The wanderer]

11 hours ago, Code said:

But was it small though?

Anfield:

 

 

Girona:

Interesting ,looked a lot smaller

[The wanderer]

9 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Code obviously kept his eyes shut while Dalglish played as his magnificence could not be quantified with stats. He even made Scotland look half decent and that's some achievement in itself.

I remember thinking at the time that he would never replace Keegan, then I saw him play!!