This Assisted Dying Bill

[Bjornebye]

Thoughts? 

[Mook]

Where do I sign up?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Mook said:

Where do I sign up?

Don’t be like that man 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Yes. 
 

But with limitations. And those limitations must be strictly adhered to. 
 

I’ve just read a few people discussing it on social media. Discussing people with terminal cancer who’ve not succumbed to the illness itself but have instead choked to death as a result of faecal vomiting caused by bowel obstruction. 
 

Sounds like a fairly awful way to go (or to spend your last days, in immense pain too) when someone with full legal capacity could instead decide to pass away in a much more peaceful and dignified way for both them and the family member, who have to witness their already traumatic passing. 

[TheHowieLama]

The gubmint already helps people die every day.

[Creator Supreme]

10 minutes ago, Mook said:

Where do I sign up?

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Bjornebye]

If someone is terminal and nothing can be done they deteriorate very quickly. No quality of life and are generally in horrible pain. Many don’t want their loved ones last memories of them being in that state and will want to say goodbye on their own terms. With the right safeguards in place so it’s not open to exploitation then I think it’s fair 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Assisted Dying Bill? 
 

I always thought his name was Harold? 
 

Too soon? 

[Rushies tash]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

If someone is terminal and nothing can be done they deteriorate very quickly. No quality of life and are generally in horrible pain. Many don’t want their loved ones last memories of them being in that state and will want to say goodbye on their own terms. With the right safeguards in place so it’s not open to exploitation then I think it’s fair 

 

This sums it up really. Anyone who objects is entitled to their opinion, but unless they themselves are in this position then they have no right telling people what they should do. Once again, it seems to be those of a right wing persuasion, who are all for personal liberty when it comes to making money, but not so much anything else.

[Lee909]

Completely on the fence to be honest. I can see both sides. The big fear is people doing it because they're scared of being a burden, and there will be thoughs who feel that way. On the other when I was ill and awake from the coma I was in I had no body movement outside my fingers or ability to talk for weeks and the idea of ALS or a similar locked in type illness would scare the fuck out of me as it's a horrible experience and mentally frustrating 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

8 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

This sums it up really. Anyone who objects is entitled to their opinion, but unless they themselves are in this position then they have no right telling people what they should do. Once again, it seems to be those of a right wing persuasion, who are all for personal liberty when it comes to making money, but not so much anything else.

To be fair, I’ve seen people from across the political spectrum expressing their opposition to the bill. The likes of Corbyn, Burgon and Abbott etc. And…

[Creator Supreme]

10 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

The big fear is people doing it because they're scared of being a burden, and there will be thoughs who feel that way.

That's exactly how I feel, a burden.

 

I'm not physically ill, but my outlook on life is low and depressing and it must affect my family every single day.

 

I know if it goes through it will only be offered to those who are of sound mind but have illnesses such as MND, severe MS, terminal Cancer etc, but if and when in the future it's extended to those who suffer mental illness (as it has in some countries I believe), then it would be good to know that the option is there.

 

All the necessary safeguards need to be in place as has been mentioned, but that being the case I think it's a good idea.

[Bjornebye]

Needs to be 6 months terminal and passed by two doctors and a high court judge so I suspect the few cases that happen will be genuine. 
 

 Not sure what the stance is on hangovers 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

It's a thorny issue, and I can understand why some are against it. Safeguards need to be in place, but I'm not sure there could ever be sufficient for those worrying it's the first step towards euthanasia of the disabled and such like to support the premise. There's always going to be a "what if?" scenario. 

 

For me, I think it's right that terminally ill people have the choice to check out on their own terms, with their dignity, and not worry that they may have to go down a route that leaves loved ones at risk of prosecution. We don't get the choice in how we're born, but we should have one in death. I'd like to be fired out of a cannon at a charging rhino.

[TheHowieLama]

Same as abortion - it's nunya bidness.

[Rushies tash]

43 minutes ago, Nelly-Szoboszlai said:

To be fair, I’ve seen people from across the political spectrum expressing their opposition to the bill. The likes of Corbyn, Burgon and Abbott etc. And…

 

Aren't 'terminally ill' and 'disabled' very different?

 

Can't be arsed checking up on Abbott etc. but I'm sure you're right. Again, people have the right to disagree, but the wishes of those who are faced with a potentially painful and dreadful death trump those who aren't, surely?

 

[Strontium]

I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to suspect the communists don't have individual liberty high on their list of priorities.

[VladimirIlyich]

7 hours ago, Nelly-Szoboszlai said:

To be fair, I’ve seen people from across the political spectrum expressing their opposition to the bill. The likes of Corbyn, Burgon and Abbott etc. And…

This is the real problem here. Do we trust the right people to consent? Do we trust the safeguards? And so on. 

It's a tricky argument and one I am not strongly in favour of either view myself. It's very personal to those affected.

[Bobby Hundreds]

If someone is in immense physical pain and there's no path back then I find it hard to argue against.

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 hours ago, Strontium said:

I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to suspect the communists don't have individual liberty high on their list of priorities.

Yes, good one Communist Party, I too believe people should be forced to live in agonising pain with no escape and no autonomy over their own body. Madness. Also, can we mention their username is ‘CP Britain’. 
 

It’s crazy that we’ve got to 2024 and we still couldn’t show people the compassion to allow themselves a dignified end. We still have people arguing against even the most restrictive way of helping people. 

[Mook]

I'm for it but can see the other side of the argument.

 

From what I can make out, it's not going well in Canada (happy to be corrected on that) & we need to make sure we safeguard against mis-use here.

[Pete]

Who’s Bill and why are we assisting him

in dying?

[YorkshireRed]

16 minutes ago, Pete said:

Who’s Bill and why are we assisting him

in dying?

Something to do with pineapple and pizza. 

[TheSire]

9 hours ago, Creator Supreme said:

That's exactly how I feel, a burden.

 

I'm not physically ill, but my outlook on life is low and depressing and it must affect my family every single day.

 

I know if it goes through it will only be offered to those who are of sound mind but have illnesses such as MND, severe MS, terminal Cancer etc, but if and when in the future it's extended to those who suffer mental illness (as it has in some countries I believe), then it would be good to know that the option is there.

 

All the necessary safeguards need to be in place as has been mentioned, but that being the case I think it's a good idea.

You are mentally ill though, because depression of that degree is a mental illness because you see life through a lens that distorts reality where everything is threatening and scary, hopeless etc. What if there's a way to get better? It could be a waste of life and losing a good person. If it's a terminal illness I totally support it though, but if someone is otherwise healthy and there is the possibility of getting better I think it's rather different. Happy to hear your thoughts btw, don't want to piss on your chips.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes, good one Communist Party, I too believe people should be forced to live in agonising pain with no escape and no autonomy over their own body. Madness. Also, can we mention their username is ‘CP Britain’. 
 

It’s crazy that we’ve got to 2024 and we still couldn’t show people the compassion to allow themselves a dignified end. We still have people arguing against even the most restrictive way of helping people. 

Their message is simply to be wary of potential abuse of it. I see little wrong with that. This is an issue that isn't necessary political (funds and resources can make it that way) but just be wary of one view.